This is hilarious ... you know you're lost when religion (one of the most protected institutions in the US constitution) pursues AI/tech to advance its message. Sticking with the Christian theme I predict that well before the 2nd coming God will send a prophet to the Christian world who's message will essentially be: What are you clowns doing? The fundamentals require faith, then works consistent with that faith. And that's done in the real world of person v. person. Prophets are God's corrective action.
I wonder how these Gloo guys want to serve a fractured user base. People make fun of Google generating images with diversified Nazis, but imagine serving flocks that have these diverse expectations. Is it going to tell people to stone someone, or slap their kids? Probably not. But where do they draw the line? Domestic violence? Too bad divorce is not an option. Or is it?
Going to be a wild fun ride talking to these indoctrinated bots. Like browsing the Conservapedia of old.
1. This is usually linked to dispensationalist theology which results in the rapture of the faithful in Christ.
2. Very few do. Most think God allows His creatures to participate in His plans and is pleased when do so in a virtuous way.
How does it do that? It just says to keep calm and carry on because hecklers will not understand that God wants everyone to have a chance. Or am I missing context, it's been a couple of years since I've been in church(and a reformed protestant one at that)
A number of translations specifically say "hastening the coming of the day of God" (https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/2%20Peter%203%3A12). You may have one of the ones that doesn't; there's an underlying dispute about the meaning of the Greek verb σπεύδω that I'm not qualified to weigh in on.
He argued, persuasively I thought, that "this is an area where truthfulness is of paramount importance" and consequently would be extremely ill-suited to AI.
That's such a good article. I think because I didn't need convincing on this I didn't seriously evaluate its argument the first time around but like you said it is quite solid. Thanks for bringing it back into the conversation it's a really good read along with this one.
In his commentary on Gen AI, Yuval Hariri points out that the initial type of publication that proliferated after the printing press was not scientific, but instead witch hunting manuals.
Perhaps Intel's ex CEO isn't attempting to incite oppression of non-Christians through AI, but his references to bringing about Christian Judgement Day as his main goal suggest exactly that.
After all, why would God need his help through technology (whether swords, ships, or AI) to hasten the second coming?
It is just as likely that this is to help humans, especially those who control or profit from the AI. The faithful and the gullible will see the output from hidden weights as being the word of god. When you look at those who bring this word to wide audiences today, you see a lot of grifters, not to mention predators.
Humanity will get to the next level when we leave all organised religions behind. Faith is something that is only between you and the entity you believe in. Organised religions are just another face of politics.
Ask the AI for all the falsehoods and contradictions. Ask it how you can tell a false prophet from a real one. This Christianity stuff has poetry in it but the religion and the texts are far apart. Exactly which laws of the Old Testament were voided? Or must Christians abide by them all? Was the Tower of Babel's destruction just a fleeting tantrum? Who did Cain marry if there were no other women?
How did Noah get all the scorpions and biting insects? Thanks for the bedbugs and typhoid, dude.
Generally an incoherent scheme.
If the religion is just some fallible oral tradition, it is no better than an institutionalized TV show. Its claims for humanity are far too important for that.
Remember, the Gospels weren't written contemporaneously. Only after something like 4-5 generations. And when have we heard of people changing or faking history to suit their own ends?
The Judeo-Christian god is a nacissistic, somewhat sadistic mob boss. Way too human.
It should certainly matter to fundamentalists, who have an outsized influence in politics. They regularly pick the most questionable translations of the most vague and obscure verses and ram them down everyone else's throats.
why didnt noah talk about how much more dangerous the bugs and animals in austrialia are? or say he put all the dangerous animals there? a bit of warning woulda been nice
> There is no single consensus figure, as results vary by how the question is phrased (e.g., "apocalypse" vs. "second coming").
> Belief in "End Times" (General): 39% of U.S. adults (or 2-in-5) believe that humanity is "living in the end times," according to a 2022 Pew Research Center survey.
> Belief in a Lifetime Apocalypse:
> 29% of U.S. adults think an "apocalyptic disaster" is likely to occur in their lifetime, according to a 2020 YouGov poll.
> 10% of all Americans (and 21% of evangelical Protestants) believe the second coming of Jesus will "definitely or probably occur during their lifetime" (2022 Pew Research).
I'm not an American but there are some statistics about the US that freak me out - because the US has huge global reach and impact, for better or - these days - for worse.
As an American, I've survived numerous religious apocalypses by now. You'd think believers might start to get a clue after a few anti-climatic apocalypses. But no. Fervent as ever.
Two minutes ago the Church of Satan read this and started their own competing initiative (satire). I’m off to work on the odds-maker model for which one gets there first.
“Your Mark V Computer can carry out any routine
mathematical operation involving up to ten digits.
However, for our work we are interested in letters,
not numbers. As we wish you to modify the output
circuits, the machine will be printing words, not
columns of figures.”
This is hilarious ... you know you're lost when religion (one of the most protected institutions in the US constitution) pursues AI/tech to advance its message. Sticking with the Christian theme I predict that well before the 2nd coming God will send a prophet to the Christian world who's message will essentially be: What are you clowns doing? The fundamentals require faith, then works consistent with that faith. And that's done in the real world of person v. person. Prophets are God's corrective action.
I wonder how these Gloo guys want to serve a fractured user base. People make fun of Google generating images with diversified Nazis, but imagine serving flocks that have these diverse expectations. Is it going to tell people to stone someone, or slap their kids? Probably not. But where do they draw the line? Domestic violence? Too bad divorce is not an option. Or is it?
Going to be a wild fun ride talking to these indoctrinated bots. Like browsing the Conservapedia of old.
I don't understand two things:
1. Why do some humans want to "hasten the coming of Christ’s return"?
2. Why do some humans think that an all powerful God needs their help to do what he wants to do?
1. This is usually linked to dispensationalist theology which results in the rapture of the faithful in Christ. 2. Very few do. Most think God allows His creatures to participate in His plans and is pleased when do so in a virtuous way.
The Bible, which Christians believe to be divinely inspired or even divinely authored, instructs humans to do this in 2 Peter 3:12.
How does it do that? It just says to keep calm and carry on because hecklers will not understand that God wants everyone to have a chance. Or am I missing context, it's been a couple of years since I've been in church(and a reformed protestant one at that)
A number of translations specifically say "hastening the coming of the day of God" (https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/2%20Peter%203%3A12). You may have one of the ones that doesn't; there's an underlying dispute about the meaning of the Greek verb σπεύδω that I'm not qualified to weigh in on.
Mine indeed does not contain a similar phrase, it says pretty much the opposite. I guess Luther wasn't interested in the end days much.
But then if the first flood came after excessive sin, is the way to hasten the arrival of the end times another time of sin? That explains a lot ig
My first thought was this blog article I saw on HN a while back:
https://lukeplant.me.uk/blog/posts/should-we-use-llms-for-ch...
He argued, persuasively I thought, that "this is an area where truthfulness is of paramount importance" and consequently would be extremely ill-suited to AI.
But this is not an area where truthfulness is remotely important, let alone paramount, so well suited?
That's such a good article. I think because I didn't need convincing on this I didn't seriously evaluate its argument the first time around but like you said it is quite solid. Thanks for bringing it back into the conversation it's a really good read along with this one.
In his commentary on Gen AI, Yuval Hariri points out that the initial type of publication that proliferated after the printing press was not scientific, but instead witch hunting manuals.
Perhaps Intel's ex CEO isn't attempting to incite oppression of non-Christians through AI, but his references to bringing about Christian Judgement Day as his main goal suggest exactly that.
After all, why would God need his help through technology (whether swords, ships, or AI) to hasten the second coming?
It is just as likely that this is to help humans, especially those who control or profit from the AI. The faithful and the gullible will see the output from hidden weights as being the word of god. When you look at those who bring this word to wide audiences today, you see a lot of grifters, not to mention predators.
Humanity will get to the next level when we leave all organised religions behind. Faith is something that is only between you and the entity you believe in. Organised religions are just another face of politics.
Ask the AI for all the falsehoods and contradictions. Ask it how you can tell a false prophet from a real one. This Christianity stuff has poetry in it but the religion and the texts are far apart. Exactly which laws of the Old Testament were voided? Or must Christians abide by them all? Was the Tower of Babel's destruction just a fleeting tantrum? Who did Cain marry if there were no other women? How did Noah get all the scorpions and biting insects? Thanks for the bedbugs and typhoid, dude. Generally an incoherent scheme.
> Who did Cain marry if there were no other women?
Like, stuff like that doesn't matter. It is not the point of the story. I don't think the oral tradition cared about plot holes at all.
If the religion is just some fallible oral tradition, it is no better than an institutionalized TV show. Its claims for humanity are far too important for that.
Remember, the Gospels weren't written contemporaneously. Only after something like 4-5 generations. And when have we heard of people changing or faking history to suit their own ends?
The Judeo-Christian god is a nacissistic, somewhat sadistic mob boss. Way too human.
Of course it doesn’t. But there is a difference between treating the story as an oral tradition and the explicit and unerring word of god.
It should certainly matter to fundamentalists, who have an outsized influence in politics. They regularly pick the most questionable translations of the most vague and obscure verses and ram them down everyone else's throats.
It doesn't matter to them, but it should.
why didnt noah talk about how much more dangerous the bugs and animals in austrialia are? or say he put all the dangerous animals there? a bit of warning woulda been nice
I guess the "build it and they will come" fab investment policy was faith based all along!
The 2010s were the rise of ad tech for products and services, the 2020s are essentially LLMs creating ad tech again but for ideas.
Including the funny money circular wash trading of investment.
> Belief in Doomsday Happening in Their Lifetime
> There is no single consensus figure, as results vary by how the question is phrased (e.g., "apocalypse" vs. "second coming").
> Belief in "End Times" (General): 39% of U.S. adults (or 2-in-5) believe that humanity is "living in the end times," according to a 2022 Pew Research Center survey.
> Belief in a Lifetime Apocalypse:
> 29% of U.S. adults think an "apocalyptic disaster" is likely to occur in their lifetime, according to a 2020 YouGov poll.
> 10% of all Americans (and 21% of evangelical Protestants) believe the second coming of Jesus will "definitely or probably occur during their lifetime" (2022 Pew Research).
I'm not an American but there are some statistics about the US that freak me out - because the US has huge global reach and impact, for better or - these days - for worse.
As an American, I've survived numerous religious apocalypses by now. You'd think believers might start to get a clue after a few anti-climatic apocalypses. But no. Fervent as ever.
expedite the apocalypse by becoming slaves of a society governed by automatons
Two minutes ago the Church of Satan read this and started their own competing initiative (satire). I’m off to work on the odds-maker model for which one gets there first.
Topical: https://hex.ooo/library/nine_billion_names_of_god.html
Terry Davis was ahead of his time.
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People thought this nutjob lunatic would save Intel? Hah, this guy is part of the reason why Intel failed in the first place.