The "what value is it producing" question keeps coming up. I'll share my use case: I run https://ClawHosters.com, managed hosting for OpenClaw. Built it because I kept setting up instances for friends and getting support texts at 11pm on Saturdays.
The value isn't the meme projects. It's the "n8n but you talk to it" angle someone mentioned above. Small business automation for people who know what they want but can't code it.
The setup friction is real though. Docker, API keys, channel auth, gateway config. That's the actual barrier to adoption, not the underlying tech. Most people who try OpenClaw bounce off the install, not the functionality.
Re: the foundation move - this is actually good for the ecosystem. MIT license stays, community keeps contributing, Peter gets paid. The alternative was him bleeding $20k/month indefinitely.
So the value it is producing is for you as the service provider on the hype.
If the whole notion of "I set up a service because there was so much demand form friends" is even to be believed nowadays...
There are enthusiasts and early adopters using this in small businesses already. In terms of "practical niche" the use case I've seen so far is "n8n but you create workflows by talking to it" aka business glue to automate idiosyncratic things.
I think HN being mostly quite technical under estimate the latent demand for ad-hoc business automation by people who know what they want to happen but aren't comfortable writing code.
You could look at it as a generic replacement for many types of AI SaaS harness. Previously if you wanted to reduce the workload of an office worker say reading work orders (that arrive in 50 different formats via email, sometimes as pdfs or behind portal links) and entering them into job control, you would need to write a custom agent harness or use a SaaS. Now you can sort of "mold" this thing like clay and get it to do the job. Instead of writing an API integration for the job control system you can just give it the openapi spec. Instead of writing your business logic in code, you can describe it in English. If you are technical, you can work with it to turn parts of the workflow into code to reduce token spend or make them more deterministic.
Naturally, it has all the disadvantages of home built automation (typically limited reproducibility, less secure, not generalised).
There's a lot of jank and risk but, hiring people can be pretty hit and miss in that regard also so for small businesses it's not as "out of distribution" as you might think.
Mostly it seems people are excited about sending a whatsapp message to it and it will turn off all the lights in their office for example. Do similarly for emails, calendars, etc. that is, of course, you’re willing to accept the Faustian bargain it presents you.
Hahah glad I never used the claw, now that they joined openAI. But, I will never use any AI assistant because:
- privacy concerns: last thing I want is some prompt injection exposing xyz personal data. Seriously, how do people -especially technical ones- trust one thing with so much access and power!? Even from engineering perspective, it’s a single point of failure.
- security concerns: leaking credentials etc.
- codependency concerns: once you become codependent on something that you can’t control (ie not you), things can get messy, from a simple power blackout to cloud interruptions to company acquired by another, you will have a hard reality check.
- cognitive concerns: I have a theory that all these AI assistants will make people dumber in few years, when parts of their brains aren’t working or active as used to be and relying on external help, eventually they will lose that critical thinking ability, and become a “receiver” on how to navigate or do stuff, maybe even day to day tasks.
You think he implemented those thousands of integrations himself?
Or maybe some particular tool was used that can be used again for implementing such things? Particular tool that so many of us use as well?
I'm sure a lot of API plumbing can be copied/adapted wholesale from the (open-source) openclaw repo. LLMs are surprisingly good at this kind of stuff. And yeah it would require some testing, but I doubt what openclaw has now is itself in a very stable state (from my very limited testing)
Miss the boat on what? Idiotic agents with no sandboxing, with the door fully open for prompt injection purgatory? There's nothing interesting about this technology other than how dumb it is and how badly it will spam the internet (see https://theshamblog.com/an-ai-agent-published-a-hit-piece-on... for how bad agent slop has gotten).
I hate this because IMO this is rewarding behavior that I personally find toxic. How many young (or otherwise impressionable) people will now start trying to replicate this guy's "success". And how many will justify this news to push their own agendas even harder. And that is why this is a "good" move by OpenAI. They're in hot water, running out of money and steam, and there hasn't been a viral successful business yet, so they acquihire the next best thing. This is Sam following in the footsteps of Elon, capitalizing on meme culture. There is nothing of substance here, it is all signalling, and in 2026 that is all that matters. This is influencer culture in overdrive. If you make a loud enough noise, you get acquired.
This is an Anthropic fumble and Clawdbot could have been theirs a long time ago instead of going to OpenAI who cleverly outdone them on marketing this fumble.
Anthropic just made themselves look incredibly bad with the way they handled that when they sent a cease and desist to OpenClaw which that back-fired right in their faces.
Exactly the same as the OpenCode drama, at this point OpenAI are just getting free customers from common sense.
Anthropic seem oddly focused on their moat being the app, rather than the underlying intelligence and model. Which is odd when Claude Claude is no better than all the other harnesses.
I have a suspicion that the reason they’re using react, and the reason they’re trying to keep people using Claude code instead of other tools is because it gives them additional data to train on.
It's even simpler than that. They keep trying to get people using Claude code because that's their vendor lock in. That's their business model. They don't want to become a commodity, they want you to use Claude Code. I can't blame them either.
I thought Pete mentioned on lex's podcast that anthropic did not send a cease and desist. They kindly asked him to remove all references .to Clawd from the project
An employee told him they need to rename ASAP or lawyers will get involved. Is that much different from a C&D? Even if he received a formal C&D, he could have done the exact same thing (rename) and be fine.
It's a meme project. I'm not a CEO fanboy but Open
AI leadership chases hype while Anthropoc's leadership seems more focused on useful things. So the acquisition makes sense.
The "what value is it producing" question keeps coming up. I'll share my use case: I run https://ClawHosters.com, managed hosting for OpenClaw. Built it because I kept setting up instances for friends and getting support texts at 11pm on Saturdays.
The value isn't the meme projects. It's the "n8n but you talk to it" angle someone mentioned above. Small business automation for people who know what they want but can't code it.
The setup friction is real though. Docker, API keys, channel auth, gateway config. That's the actual barrier to adoption, not the underlying tech. Most people who try OpenClaw bounce off the install, not the functionality.
Re: the foundation move - this is actually good for the ecosystem. MIT license stays, community keeps contributing, Peter gets paid. The alternative was him bleeding $20k/month indefinitely.
So the value it is producing is for you as the service provider on the hype. If the whole notion of "I set up a service because there was so much demand form friends" is even to be believed nowadays...
Feel like I've missed the boat here on OpenClaw.
What value is it actually producing? It feels like its a bunch of meme projects.
I get that in theory, it has full chat and desktop access, which could be useful, but seems like nothing useful has been created yet.
There are enthusiasts and early adopters using this in small businesses already. In terms of "practical niche" the use case I've seen so far is "n8n but you create workflows by talking to it" aka business glue to automate idiosyncratic things.
I think HN being mostly quite technical under estimate the latent demand for ad-hoc business automation by people who know what they want to happen but aren't comfortable writing code.
You could look at it as a generic replacement for many types of AI SaaS harness. Previously if you wanted to reduce the workload of an office worker say reading work orders (that arrive in 50 different formats via email, sometimes as pdfs or behind portal links) and entering them into job control, you would need to write a custom agent harness or use a SaaS. Now you can sort of "mold" this thing like clay and get it to do the job. Instead of writing an API integration for the job control system you can just give it the openapi spec. Instead of writing your business logic in code, you can describe it in English. If you are technical, you can work with it to turn parts of the workflow into code to reduce token spend or make them more deterministic.
Naturally, it has all the disadvantages of home built automation (typically limited reproducibility, less secure, not generalised).
There's a lot of jank and risk but, hiring people can be pretty hit and miss in that regard also so for small businesses it's not as "out of distribution" as you might think.
Corporate is a different story.
What is "n8n"?
> What is "n8n"?
From wiki: "...a German software company that provides a platform for workflow automation"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N8n
Mostly it seems people are excited about sending a whatsapp message to it and it will turn off all the lights in their office for example. Do similarly for emails, calendars, etc. that is, of course, you’re willing to accept the Faustian bargain it presents you.
The value it produces is a whole new bunch ways to get your secrets compromised
OpenClaw will be open as OpenAI.
Hahah glad I never used the claw, now that they joined openAI. But, I will never use any AI assistant because:
- privacy concerns: last thing I want is some prompt injection exposing xyz personal data. Seriously, how do people -especially technical ones- trust one thing with so much access and power!? Even from engineering perspective, it’s a single point of failure.
- security concerns: leaking credentials etc.
- codependency concerns: once you become codependent on something that you can’t control (ie not you), things can get messy, from a simple power blackout to cloud interruptions to company acquired by another, you will have a hard reality check.
- cognitive concerns: I have a theory that all these AI assistants will make people dumber in few years, when parts of their brains aren’t working or active as used to be and relying on external help, eventually they will lose that critical thinking ability, and become a “receiver” on how to navigate or do stuff, maybe even day to day tasks.
On the Lex podcast, it seemed that Peter liked Mark Zuckerberg more than Sam Altman.
Maybe it was a move to make Sam come with overwhelming offer.
Amazing how bad Anthropic can miss the boat on this
1-2 engineers at Anthropic can implement their own OpenClaw in a matter of days (and give it a less stupid name while they're at it).
This is just a marketing move by OpenAI.
Even the thousands of integrations?
The strenght of openclaw is the massive community adherence.
It can connect to a ton of things.
It's like the https://zapier.com meets LLMs.
You think he implemented those thousands of integrations himself? Or maybe some particular tool was used that can be used again for implementing such things? Particular tool that so many of us use as well?
It was obviously largely by the community. Just take a look at PRs.
Question is, will the community continue with this level of engagement on the project now that it has OpenAI stamp on it?
I highly doubt. A fork? Maybe.
I'm sure a lot of API plumbing can be copied/adapted wholesale from the (open-source) openclaw repo. LLMs are surprisingly good at this kind of stuff. And yeah it would require some testing, but I doubt what openclaw has now is itself in a very stable state (from my very limited testing)
Maybe they don't want the idiots' money.
Miss the boat on what? Idiotic agents with no sandboxing, with the door fully open for prompt injection purgatory? There's nothing interesting about this technology other than how dumb it is and how badly it will spam the internet (see https://theshamblog.com/an-ai-agent-published-a-hit-piece-on... for how bad agent slop has gotten).
That was quick
I hate this because IMO this is rewarding behavior that I personally find toxic. How many young (or otherwise impressionable) people will now start trying to replicate this guy's "success". And how many will justify this news to push their own agendas even harder. And that is why this is a "good" move by OpenAI. They're in hot water, running out of money and steam, and there hasn't been a viral successful business yet, so they acquihire the next best thing. This is Sam following in the footsteps of Elon, capitalizing on meme culture. There is nothing of substance here, it is all signalling, and in 2026 that is all that matters. This is influencer culture in overdrive. If you make a loud enough noise, you get acquired.
> very smart agents, very useful things, extremely multi-agent
Rad.
This is an Anthropic fumble and Clawdbot could have been theirs a long time ago instead of going to OpenAI who cleverly outdone them on marketing this fumble.
Anthropic just made themselves look incredibly bad with the way they handled that when they sent a cease and desist to OpenClaw which that back-fired right in their faces.
Mistakes have been made.
Exactly the same as the OpenCode drama, at this point OpenAI are just getting free customers from common sense.
Anthropic seem oddly focused on their moat being the app, rather than the underlying intelligence and model. Which is odd when Claude Claude is no better than all the other harnesses.
I have a suspicion that the reason they’re using react, and the reason they’re trying to keep people using Claude code instead of other tools is because it gives them additional data to train on.
It's even simpler than that. They keep trying to get people using Claude code because that's their vendor lock in. That's their business model. They don't want to become a commodity, they want you to use Claude Code. I can't blame them either.
I thought Pete mentioned on lex's podcast that anthropic did not send a cease and desist. They kindly asked him to remove all references .to Clawd from the project
An employee told him they need to rename ASAP or lawyers will get involved. Is that much different from a C&D? Even if he received a formal C&D, he could have done the exact same thing (rename) and be fine.
It's a meme project. I'm not a CEO fanboy but Open AI leadership chases hype while Anthropoc's leadership seems more focused on useful things. So the acquisition makes sense.