I am not exactly sure if it was my comment itself which helped in it but no matter what, this is exactly what I was talking about and I am so glad that you made it!
Really awesome work! Definitely gonna add my blog site into a few of these and just gonna scroll it, ah this feels so good, i really appreciate your effort and I hope more people share even more indexes and it becomes an even more complete index of all indexes and we preserve the spirit of the open internet! This feels really good to me! :-)
Ah great, well I am happy that it was within the same discussion and I am happy that I could help reinforce a positive change on the internet and so thanks for making this website because this is exactly what I wanted/wished when I had written that comment :-D
I am right now thinking of connecting all these indexes within the list as much as I can into rss files and going to hopefully tinker around with some rss with all these indexes listed within your website and this has certainly brought me a bit of hope regarding the open internet if enough people use such indexes or index of indexes :-D
Edit: The rss section within your website has been really helpful in finding websites which are doing what I am talking about and so many other things, its been so good delving in these things and I find it really nice :-)
Don't know where your colors and style come from, but imo you're doing fine on that front.
Nice project also! Bookmarked.
In the same vein; I stumbled upon Wander (pun intended) by browsing a HN post from yesterday. I really like that take on discovery of smaller curated websites.
https://codeberg.org/susam/wander#readme
I'm always amazed when people go through the trouble of adding a light/dark theme switcher rather than just respecting the user's system preference with `prefers-color-scheme`[0].
You can do both. And then you help out people who don't know that they have a meaningful system preference (or maybe all the other sites they visit don't honour it, or maybe their web browser isn't picking it up for some reason).
I love this so much. I believe there is a sea of valuable blogs being buried in google search indexing weird SEO rules, and whatever crawling the AI systems are doing. We need to preserve the actual human generated content that predates AI. Wishing you huge success, thank you!
I maintain a similar index-of-indexes but it's intentionally non-curated, restricted to indexes that use the OPML format, and uses autodiscovery to expand the list. The site needs some work, but it's up to 356 indexes.
I'd recommend looking at anything with "planet" in the name, there are a bunch of tech communities that manage community feeds and they are high quality. There are also a ton of personal blogroll recommendations via micro.blog too.
I also have a separate list of my favorite parts of the internet I plan to eventually turn into something like this: https://wilderness.land/ (my inspo)
This is a tangent, but what I'd really like to see is for a "movement" of sorts where site owners explicitly only allow Kagi* as the only crawler for their site.
A way of saying "you know what, I've seen what Google has wrought, but they had some good ideas and utility at the start so I'd like Kagi to still crawl my site but no one else".
I don't know if that's even technically possible.
* I say Kagi here since they're the most prominent one I know of that are thinking about this problem. I am aware that that they too can change in the future.
I don't understand why you'd want to advocate for creating a new monopoly. Having a rich, diverse market of competing search engines would be the ideal.
That's part of my point. We already tried a rich, diverse market of competing search engines and it still ended up in a monopoly. In fact I would argue it was inevitable.
At least this way the site owners get to choose their monopoly master. So in a way it's democratized. If Google can be blocked successfully (big IF), then Kagi can as well if they change their tune.
this is great. Google has a vendetta against small personal blogs and is one of the original reasons why I fell in love with Google was because I got to discover all these indie publishers. as much as I love sub stack and Reddit these platforms along with all the garbage and slop is pushing us down.
Shocked at the exclusion of gossips web!
I have a very similar list:
- indieblog.page, gossipsweb.net, html.energy, yesterweb.org, xn--sr8hvo.ws, personalsit.es, readsomethinginteresting.com, ooh.directory
- indieweb.org, handmade.network
- 1mb.club, 512kb.club, 250kb.club, 10kbclub.com, 1kb.club
- no-js.club, js1k.com, js1024.fun
- nocss.club
- uses.tech, nownownow.com, aprilcools.club
- whimsical.club, brutalistwebsites.com, spaghetti.directory
- neocities.org
Not sure if these are all still online since it's an old list
definitely have a bunch of these but I know a few are missing! Feel free to submit them :)
Why does Kagi's Smallweb have a 'no submissions' label? I was under the impression you just PR:ed here: https://github.com/kagisearch/smallweb
Ah I missed that, thanks! I’ve updated it
Wait, is this perhaps my comment/disussion?
"Are there any indexes which index all of these too?" - (comment written by me at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48069558)
I am not exactly sure if it was my comment itself which helped in it but no matter what, this is exactly what I was talking about and I am so glad that you made it!
Really awesome work! Definitely gonna add my blog site into a few of these and just gonna scroll it, ah this feels so good, i really appreciate your effort and I hope more people share even more indexes and it becomes an even more complete index of all indexes and we preserve the spirit of the open internet! This feels really good to me! :-)
The one above yours was what set me off on the path but yours helps reinforce it!
Ah great, well I am happy that it was within the same discussion and I am happy that I could help reinforce a positive change on the internet and so thanks for making this website because this is exactly what I wanted/wished when I had written that comment :-D
I am right now thinking of connecting all these indexes within the list as much as I can into rss files and going to hopefully tinker around with some rss with all these indexes listed within your website and this has certainly brought me a bit of hope regarding the open internet if enough people use such indexes or index of indexes :-D
Edit: The rss section within your website has been really helpful in finding websites which are doing what I am talking about and so many other things, its been so good delving in these things and I find it really nice :-)
Don't know where your colors and style come from, but imo you're doing fine on that front.
Nice project also! Bookmarked.
In the same vein; I stumbled upon Wander (pun intended) by browsing a HN post from yesterday. I really like that take on discovery of smaller curated websites. https://codeberg.org/susam/wander#readme
> colors
I'm always amazed when people go through the trouble of adding a light/dark theme switcher rather than just respecting the user's system preference with `prefers-color-scheme`[0].
[0]: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/Reference/A...
You can do both, because some people like having per-site color controls.
Like I prefer to read prose and literary website content in light mode while keeping my OS in dark mode.
Admittedly it's a niche use case.
You can do both. And then you help out people who don't know that they have a meaningful system preference (or maybe all the other sites they visit don't honour it, or maybe their web browser isn't picking it up for some reason).
Hey thank you! That’s awesome, I’ll take a look at Wander this afternoon
they are from Claude
I love this so much. I believe there is a sea of valuable blogs being buried in google search indexing weird SEO rules, and whatever crawling the AI systems are doing. We need to preserve the actual human generated content that predates AI. Wishing you huge success, thank you!
This is an amazing project, alternative domain “the-indiex”
ha now I wish I had thought of that.
I maintain a similar index-of-indexes but it's intentionally non-curated, restricted to indexes that use the OPML format, and uses autodiscovery to expand the list. The site needs some work, but it's up to 356 indexes.
https://blogroll-network.alexsci.com/blogrolls/
I'd recommend looking at anything with "planet" in the name, there are a bunch of tech communities that manage community feeds and they are high quality. There are also a ton of personal blogroll recommendations via micro.blog too.
Another index-of-indexes is https://brisray.com/web/webring-list.htm, which tracks 648 webrings!
And https://brisray.com/web/indiedirs.htm, which has some other great indieweb indexes
Now we need an index of indexes of indexes. I too keep such a list but it's just an Obsidian note I manually update
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48089823
I also have a separate list of my favorite parts of the internet I plan to eventually turn into something like this: https://wilderness.land/ (my inspo)
This is a tangent, but what I'd really like to see is for a "movement" of sorts where site owners explicitly only allow Kagi* as the only crawler for their site.
A way of saying "you know what, I've seen what Google has wrought, but they had some good ideas and utility at the start so I'd like Kagi to still crawl my site but no one else".
I don't know if that's even technically possible.
* I say Kagi here since they're the most prominent one I know of that are thinking about this problem. I am aware that that they too can change in the future.
I don't understand why you'd want to advocate for creating a new monopoly. Having a rich, diverse market of competing search engines would be the ideal.
That's part of my point. We already tried a rich, diverse market of competing search engines and it still ended up in a monopoly. In fact I would argue it was inevitable.
At least this way the site owners get to choose their monopoly master. So in a way it's democratized. If Google can be blocked successfully (big IF), then Kagi can as well if they change their tune.
"Allow"? What are they doing to do about it?
Any chance you can put https://hnarcade.com on there?
I saw it in the submissions - seems like it fits.
I visited it and it looks quite simple in style
Nice project! Thanks for including Minifeed!
you're welcome!
refined.blog doesn't work, goes to a GoDaddy page.
Thanks for the heads up! I’ll check it out when I’m back from running errands
As the internet gets filled with AI slop, these kind of indexes of real human thought are going to become more important.
Agreed, hopefully someone finds a fun index that they like and it leads them to a new blog or site
The Internet was mostly slop before LLMs. While LLM automation can increase it by orders of magnitude, we've long needed curated indexes.
this is great. Google has a vendetta against small personal blogs and is one of the original reasons why I fell in love with Google was because I got to discover all these indie publishers. as much as I love sub stack and Reddit these platforms along with all the garbage and slop is pushing us down.
I'm hoping one day the entire internet forks
Now we just need theindexindex (an index of indices of indie web/blog indexes).
It would just have one link to this site.
Good idea, I added a list to the indieweb wiki: https://indieweb.org/indieweb_directory#Directories_of_direc...
I've added three :)
Maybe a fourth? https://shellsharks.com/indieweb#:~:text=Webrings
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_lists_of_lists
I’ve made a submission. I think as time passes there will be a niche for curated content thats free from AI slop.