First impression: Third-party benchmarks or gtfo. Personally, I've never heard of either of these companies before. We're just supposed to take their word that they've matched the best models on the market?
Sakana describes their model as a "Orchestration Model." Does that mean that it's actually a bunch of different models glued together?
asian is bad wording. this is a japanese startup backed by khosla ventures. japan is an ally of west.
the title makes it sound like a chinese company did this.
We are all people. This ally-of-the-west framing is propaganda. Who has harmed me more: this US or China? Who do I have more in common with: a tech worker in China or a US government official?
(I'm based in US - I use the best tech for the task).
Is that really the most sailent facet of this story? Boxing it by official friend vs foe designations? Don't american academic institutions and corporate entities cooperate closely with Chinese companies as well?
The US and China are in a cold war right now, whether that is fully recognized or not, the fight has already begun. The US is blocking models from getting out of the country and China is blocking researchers from getting out of the country. The expectation should be only more closing off in the future.
I think it is time that we had a UN-sponsored standards body dedicated to bench-marking the newest models from around the world, for everyone's benefit.
> These companies providing tokens, whether SOTA or not, that want to IPO are so fucked as time goes on.
>Can't sell their SOTA models, only slightly better than the open source models for the models they can sell, cost 20x to 50x for good models, a TAM that consists almost solely of developers, with no customer of theirs actually boasting increased profits as a result of AI...
> I fear their time to IPO may have passed.
What on earth could Anthropic and OpenAI Pivot to now?
It is not. Where's the danger ? We will need to adapt, as in every technology progress, but what do you think will happen ? Realistically ? Don't feed the fearmongering. Yes, we're disrupting the status quo, if that's the danger, then welcome to the world.
The rest of the world has been asleep whilst America has done a lot of underhand shit.
No more.
I dont think they realise how much the rest of the world dislikes Americans - Im talking known people at top positions of companies talking about how much they prefer and want to use Chinese models over American ones.
I seriously do not comprehend how a consumer like you can have sympathy for Anthropic, as if you are part of their organisation or something. Competition is good for us. Wouldn't it have been for asian labs, we would would be fully dependent on OpenAI, Anthropic and Googles services.
Anthropic just stole the internet and put it in a transformer and pat itself on the back for it - well no to be honest we have to suffer through hearing them saying that this model is really really dangerous until they got a reaction for they fear mongering
Anthropic are the pathetic ones. The pariah of the AI industry that nobody likes because all they do is lie, cheat and steal. Now no one can access ChatGPT 5.6 because of their 5 year long fearmongering regulatory capture campaign.
Hopefully they go bankrupt and someone else takes their place.
They have an impressive set of investors [1]. Also, HN Headline [2] from the other day with 100+ comments.
1. https://sakana.ai/company-info/?lang=en
2. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48624782
First impression: Third-party benchmarks or gtfo. Personally, I've never heard of either of these companies before. We're just supposed to take their word that they've matched the best models on the market?
Sakana describes their model as a "Orchestration Model." Does that mean that it's actually a bunch of different models glued together?
Did Anthropic give you third-party benchmarks? Is that what you said to them?
asian is bad wording. this is a japanese startup backed by khosla ventures. japan is an ally of west. the title makes it sound like a chinese company did this.
We are all people. This ally-of-the-west framing is propaganda. Who has harmed me more: this US or China? Who do I have more in common with: a tech worker in China or a US government official?
(I'm based in US - I use the best tech for the task).
The article talks about 1 Chinese and 1 Japanese model.
Patriotism makes people biased. Better to not hold an identity in this area.
Is that really the most sailent facet of this story? Boxing it by official friend vs foe designations? Don't american academic institutions and corporate entities cooperate closely with Chinese companies as well?
The US and China are in a cold war right now, whether that is fully recognized or not, the fight has already begun. The US is blocking models from getting out of the country and China is blocking researchers from getting out of the country. The expectation should be only more closing off in the future.
I think it is time that we had a UN-sponsored standards body dedicated to bench-marking the newest models from around the world, for everyone's benefit.
Where can I get the API?
Through their website.
Feels like I need to repeat myself more than once a day now: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48697258
> These companies providing tokens, whether SOTA or not, that want to IPO are so fucked as time goes on.
>Can't sell their SOTA models, only slightly better than the open source models for the models they can sell, cost 20x to 50x for good models, a TAM that consists almost solely of developers, with no customer of theirs actually boasting increased profits as a result of AI...
> I fear their time to IPO may have passed.
What on earth could Anthropic and OpenAI Pivot to now?
> What on earth could Anthropic and OpenAI Pivot to now?
World domination tech for military and government customers?
We pay for it but we are the product.
> a TAM that consists almost solely of developers
That’s the wrong assumption. These models are good at office docs too.
But you can do office docs work with way cheaper models
They're passable at those. And still no moat.
Propaganda? Pay for “facts” to be placed in the model?
Excellent. I'm very thankful the asian/chinese don't give a fuck about the US government. It feels good to have a competitor.
So now as a regular American we are behind because gatekeepers saying super intelligence is too scary
It was bound to happen soon.
People who are shielded by walls are always surprised when the same walls shield the people outside from them
It is scary.
It is not. Where's the danger ? We will need to adapt, as in every technology progress, but what do you think will happen ? Realistically ? Don't feed the fearmongering. Yes, we're disrupting the status quo, if that's the danger, then welcome to the world.
Are we supposed to be impressed? They distilled Anthropic’s models and pat themselves on the back for it. Pathetic.
Fuck do I care? Anthropic stole it from the rest of us in the form of training data and environmental externalities. At least this will be cheaper.
This exactly.
YC companies literally steal competing company 1:1 and you turn blindeye.
Then a thief steals from a thief to give it out at better prices than you write low quality comment.
Shame that America will greet 250th anniversary with this kind living in it.
The rest of the world has been asleep whilst America has done a lot of underhand shit.
No more.
I dont think they realise how much the rest of the world dislikes Americans - Im talking known people at top positions of companies talking about how much they prefer and want to use Chinese models over American ones.
You made a new account to post this?
+1
Please use the upvote button instead of doing this.
https://www.npr.org/2025/09/05/g-s1-87367/anthropic-authors-...
Seems like a bit of karmic justice.
I seriously do not comprehend how a consumer like you can have sympathy for Anthropic, as if you are part of their organisation or something. Competition is good for us. Wouldn't it have been for asian labs, we would would be fully dependent on OpenAI, Anthropic and Googles services.
Both of the mentioned models are model orchestrators using a vastly different multi model paradigm.
Saying they in particularare distilled from Anthropic is really [citation needed].
Anthropic just stole the internet and put it in a transformer and pat itself on the back for it - well no to be honest we have to suffer through hearing them saying that this model is really really dangerous until they got a reaction for they fear mongering
they mined the internet first. now they’re upset someone brought a shovel.
Anthropic are the pathetic ones. The pariah of the AI industry that nobody likes because all they do is lie, cheat and steal. Now no one can access ChatGPT 5.6 because of their 5 year long fearmongering regulatory capture campaign.
Hopefully they go bankrupt and someone else takes their place.