Not unrelated, this kind of information augments all kinda of law enforcement, greatly increasing the lifetime consequences of convictions, though sentencing penalties have remained the same.
Last century, a year in jail ended after the year. Now it is still there for every job application, lease, and loan you might take out in life.
The justice industry benefits with easy information, punishments are amplified and permanent, but crimes keep happening.
Let’s reconsider whether our medieval system benefits society or simply controls and exploits it.
None of them would want ICE to have that information.
And that's even ignoring for the moment the fact that things which are obvious weapons and things which are not obvious weapons pose different fundamental risks to society and that therefore it's always a stretch to lump them into the same category.
Nor did they care about establishing vaccine card check points throughout civil society. Imagine if we got to do citizenship checks at bars and restaurants and doctor's offices.
> Nor did they care about establishing vaccine card check points throughout civil society.
And yet the Biden Administration explicitly said it would not require vaccine passports from businesses and never built any national vaccination database or app, so this was just the usual conservative fearmongering.
There was also never an instance whereby vaccine status was required for any kind of travel between states or in daily life outside specific covered venues (for example, restaurants and gyms in NYC, where people would be in very close proximity to others with no other prophylaxis being used).
Meanwhile, conservative NPs are getting jailed and losing their licenses for forging vaccine cards for $7,000 a pop. As they should.
> Imagine if we got to do citizenship checks at bars and restaurants and doctor's offices.
In the last three days, ICE has pulled someone over for a "traffic violation" (which they have zero authority to do) and then said "Your taillights are out. Your papers please."
> every bouncer and doorman in bars and concert venue
Uhh, and?
Thought you conservative types thought the right of a business to refuse service was sacrosanct? Reality is “to refuse service to people I also dislike, not to me”.
> some illegal … emergency’
Other person is correct, you sound deranged. And racist.
How would you have any idea about their immigration status?
Speaking as a former paramedic, ERs are pretty good at least triaging acuity. They still have to at least assess everybody, but if they were being seen before your daughter, sorry, she was doing better than them.
They’re a threat to those fearing deportation or arrest for criminal activity. If you’re not in those categories, you have exactly nothing to worry about.
I’m a lot more worried about the giant NSA data centers like the one in Utah, funded under prior administrations. Those are definitely warehousing wide-ranging data about all Americans (and others), harvested right off the Internet backbone…
Oh yes, we definitely don't have news or straight up video of people who are regular citizens getting killed for no reason by ICE or even non-citizens getting effectively executed without trial.
> we definitely don't have news or straight up video of people who are regular citizens getting killed for no reason by ICE or even non-citizens getting effectively executed without trial.
You may have made-up “news” from the usual suspects, but you don’t have video. The videos of Good, Pretti, and the alien recently shot for using his vehicle as a weapon sure don’t show innocent victims dying at the hands of ICE. Any other law enforcement agency involved in the same incidents would have acted much the same.
In every case, the deceased put themselves in situations that lead to their deaths.
In two cases (Good and the alien), they attempted to use their vehicles as weapons.
In Pretti’s case he brought a pistol to a protest (illegal in his location), inserted himself into a detainment attempt, and struggled with officers. He may not have fired the shot that startled the officers surrounding him, causing them to fire (they all knew he was carrying), but he would sure be alive today if he hadn’t done the other things.
They say stupidity should be painful. In these cases, it was fatal.
I'm going to start with a link to the Pretti video analysis. If you don't trust the Times, feel free to ignore their assessments of motives and you can just look at the analysis of what events happened and when which are factual details: https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/100000010668660/new-video-a...
> In Pretti’s case he brought a pistol to a protest (illegal in his location)
I think you should know that the claim that it was illegal for him to carry that pistol is false and is a lie being told to you to deceive you into letting them sweep his death under the rug. Minnesota's concealed carry law (Pretti had a permit) does not restrict carrying in public or at protests. You can easily look that up if you care to. They don't think you will.
> inserted himself into a detainment attempt
This is also clearly false from all of the videos. There was no detainment attempt being made at that time. What is shown in all the videos is that an agent shoved a woman backward hard (to the ground) trying to get her to leave, not that they were trying to detain her. The woman was not part of any detainment attempt at that time. At that point she was merely a common victim of assault.
> and struggled with officers
Is that before or after he was being beaten while his hands were pinned down?
> He may not have fired the shot that startled the officers surrounding him, causing them to fire
The shot you're talking about was fired by one of those same border agents. It wasn't a magic bullet that came out of nowhere.
> They say stupidity should be painful
It is indeed true that some people enjoy pretending that cruelty is wisdom, but it isn't a good way to live.
Not unrelated, this kind of information augments all kinda of law enforcement, greatly increasing the lifetime consequences of convictions, though sentencing penalties have remained the same.
Last century, a year in jail ended after the year. Now it is still there for every job application, lease, and loan you might take out in life.
The justice industry benefits with easy information, punishments are amplified and permanent, but crimes keep happening.
Let’s reconsider whether our medieval system benefits society or simply controls and exploits it.
Nah, we had the "Have you been convicted of a felony in the past 7 years" job application question in the 80's. And background checks were accessible.
A year in jail doesn’t necessarily mean a felony conviction.
https://lawful.com/articles/misdemeanors
The phrase "The Justice Industry" made me throw up in my mouth a little. How far we have fallen.
> Last century, a year in jail ended after the year. Now it is still there for every job application, lease, and loan you might take out in life.
My state touts that some felonies are eligible for vacation. One of the criteria is "The person has reached 120 years of age."
Wow, this thread really is a cesspool.
Lefties didn't have a problem with this when the intent was tracking ammo purchases.
None of them would want ICE to have that information.
And that's even ignoring for the moment the fact that things which are obvious weapons and things which are not obvious weapons pose different fundamental risks to society and that therefore it's always a stretch to lump them into the same category.
Ahem, you misspelled completely legal-to-own weapons. Whereas ICE is tracking illegal immigration activity.
If your objection to registering ammo purchases is that they are legal to own, well, I will remind you that so are credit cards.
Nor did they care about establishing vaccine card check points throughout civil society. Imagine if we got to do citizenship checks at bars and restaurants and doctor's offices.
> Nor did they care about establishing vaccine card check points throughout civil society.
And yet the Biden Administration explicitly said it would not require vaccine passports from businesses and never built any national vaccination database or app, so this was just the usual conservative fearmongering.
There was also never an instance whereby vaccine status was required for any kind of travel between states or in daily life outside specific covered venues (for example, restaurants and gyms in NYC, where people would be in very close proximity to others with no other prophylaxis being used).
Meanwhile, conservative NPs are getting jailed and losing their licenses for forging vaccine cards for $7,000 a pop. As they should.
> Imagine if we got to do citizenship checks at bars and restaurants and doctor's offices.
In the last three days, ICE has pulled someone over for a "traffic violation" (which they have zero authority to do) and then said "Your taillights are out. Your papers please."
Do continue with the strawman.
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> every bouncer and doorman in bars and concert venue
Uhh, and?
Thought you conservative types thought the right of a business to refuse service was sacrosanct? Reality is “to refuse service to people I also dislike, not to me”.
> some illegal … emergency’
Other person is correct, you sound deranged. And racist.
How would you have any idea about their immigration status?
Speaking as a former paramedic, ERs are pretty good at least triaging acuity. They still have to at least assess everybody, but if they were being seen before your daughter, sorry, she was doing better than them.
Do you realize how deranged you sound?
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Good! Illegal aliens shouldn’t get credit from any source. They’re bad risks, especially if they get deported…
You don't have to be an illegal alien to want to keep ICE/Border patrol from knowing things about you. They're a threat to everybody.
They’re a threat to those fearing deportation or arrest for criminal activity. If you’re not in those categories, you have exactly nothing to worry about.
I’m a lot more worried about the giant NSA data centers like the one in Utah, funded under prior administrations. Those are definitely warehousing wide-ranging data about all Americans (and others), harvested right off the Internet backbone…
> If you’re not in those categories, you have exactly nothing to worry about.
From what I've seen, this just isn't true. Anyone who isn't visibly licking their boots is at risk.
Maybe stay away from the Reddit bullshit koolaid.
Oh yes, we definitely don't have news or straight up video of people who are regular citizens getting killed for no reason by ICE or even non-citizens getting effectively executed without trial.
Yeah don't try to run over fed officers. Fafo.
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> we definitely don't have news or straight up video of people who are regular citizens getting killed for no reason by ICE or even non-citizens getting effectively executed without trial.
You may have made-up “news” from the usual suspects, but you don’t have video. The videos of Good, Pretti, and the alien recently shot for using his vehicle as a weapon sure don’t show innocent victims dying at the hands of ICE. Any other law enforcement agency involved in the same incidents would have acted much the same.
In every case, the deceased put themselves in situations that lead to their deaths.
In two cases (Good and the alien), they attempted to use their vehicles as weapons.
In Pretti’s case he brought a pistol to a protest (illegal in his location), inserted himself into a detainment attempt, and struggled with officers. He may not have fired the shot that startled the officers surrounding him, causing them to fire (they all knew he was carrying), but he would sure be alive today if he hadn’t done the other things.
They say stupidity should be painful. In these cases, it was fatal.
I'm going to start with a link to the Pretti video analysis. If you don't trust the Times, feel free to ignore their assessments of motives and you can just look at the analysis of what events happened and when which are factual details: https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/100000010668660/new-video-a...
> In Pretti’s case he brought a pistol to a protest (illegal in his location)
I think you should know that the claim that it was illegal for him to carry that pistol is false and is a lie being told to you to deceive you into letting them sweep his death under the rug. Minnesota's concealed carry law (Pretti had a permit) does not restrict carrying in public or at protests. You can easily look that up if you care to. They don't think you will.
> inserted himself into a detainment attempt
This is also clearly false from all of the videos. There was no detainment attempt being made at that time. What is shown in all the videos is that an agent shoved a woman backward hard (to the ground) trying to get her to leave, not that they were trying to detain her. The woman was not part of any detainment attempt at that time. At that point she was merely a common victim of assault.
> and struggled with officers
Is that before or after he was being beaten while his hands were pinned down?
> He may not have fired the shot that startled the officers surrounding him, causing them to fire
The shot you're talking about was fired by one of those same border agents. It wasn't a magic bullet that came out of nowhere.
> They say stupidity should be painful
It is indeed true that some people enjoy pretending that cruelty is wisdom, but it isn't a good way to live.