The actual interesting part about such an attack is not that something is down, but rather why someone would run it.
A lot of DDoS originates from script kiddies, but such attacks are usually very short lived as attacks are expensive.
So which actor would actually benefit from downing the Norwegian government?
DDoS tends to be monetised as DDoS-as-a-service. Taking down "significant" services is good advertising. Either that, or they plan to extort the Norwegian government.
But for such a "proof of power" a short attack which takes the service down once is enough, long attacks are not so common and actually require some work from the attacker
What do they benefit from taking down any government, NGO or civic work program? American systems, as well as larger European systems are constantly attacked. I've seen the same traffic. Fire walling off China, North Korea and smaller eastern European countries is a must if you ever plan to expose any internet exposed services.
Electricity production in Norway is predominantly hydroelectric.
When it rains dams fill up. The water is drained into shafts with turbines, and electricity is generated.
However, even though we are big on hydroelectricity percentage wise I’m not sure it’s all that vast an amount of electricity on a global scale. We are a pretty small country after all.
According to Wikipedia, the Norwegian electricity sector had 40.26 GW installed capacity as of 2021 and was producing 157.113 TWh in the same year. [1]
Great Britain had 74.8 GW installed capacity in 2023 and was producing 292.7 TWh in 2023. [2]
Really, you have no one in mind? Someone who is sending hundreds of bombing drones daily to Ukraine, killing civilian population, women and children, and who is eager to send a message to NATO countries any way possible?
You don't understand Kremlin's mentality. Any even little nasty thing they can do to the West makes them giggle like Doctor Evil. "Oh, a NATO country's government infra was not protected from DDoS? Let's have fun, haha!" You are dealing with story book villains. I know, this sounds so ridiculous it's hard to believe someone can actually be like this. But then the reality check hits.
Could be, but it does not look like any of the ways they done before.
Anyone who benefits from instability would be at win, from internal political competition, foreign companies trying to sell flocked up systems and the list could be huge.
Not saying it was not who you think it was, Im just saying it does not have enough information yet to be the only explanation or at least the most obvious one.
Your comment is dumb and disgusting. You're comparing Putin with Hitler, thereby showing that you don't know that relatives of Putin were killed by Hitler's troops, e.g. his brother during the siege of Leningrad (1+ million civilians killed), his grandmother was killed as a civilian, his uncles perished during frontline service and his father was severely wounded[1].
By the way, numerous high ranking German politicians regularly also do this kind of comparison, showing the lack of knowledge about the history of their own country. Can anyone show me JUST A SINGLE MEMORIAL in Germany for the 20+ million (lower bound estimate) people killed on the eastern front? Yes, there is one in the heart of Berlin, which the Soviets built in 1945!
I immediately knew that you are an U.S. American, because of you total lack of knowledge about European history. It's always the same old story, Americans and their lack of education about global topics.
I always find it unbelievable how people do not know or just forget about what happened in the east 85 years ago. Really sad. This is one of the primary reasons why people in the west don't understand why Russia cannot accept Ukraine in NATO. It was NATO that expanded to the east, contrary to the agreements after the fall of the Soviet Union. Russia said for decades that Ukraine in NATO is unacceptable.
Let me tell you what's actually "really sad": Bucha as a response to sovereign country's attempt to join NATO. Having a hostile country as a neighbour isn't an excuse for starting a war with it.
The actual interesting part about such an attack is not that something is down, but rather why someone would run it. A lot of DDoS originates from script kiddies, but such attacks are usually very short lived as attacks are expensive. So which actor would actually benefit from downing the Norwegian government?
DDoS tends to be monetised as DDoS-as-a-service. Taking down "significant" services is good advertising. Either that, or they plan to extort the Norwegian government.
But for such a "proof of power" a short attack which takes the service down once is enough, long attacks are not so common and actually require some work from the attacker
Unless part of the social proof is that mitigation is more difficult.
If the attack doesn't last long, bystanders can't know whether it was trivially mitigated by the victim.
A shorter attack won't make as many news headlines, either.
What do they benefit from taking down any government, NGO or civic work program? American systems, as well as larger European systems are constantly attacked. I've seen the same traffic. Fire walling off China, North Korea and smaller eastern European countries is a must if you ever plan to expose any internet exposed services.
is there actually any source those attacks are really done by "script kiddies"?
More likely this more politically motivated and backed up by money and more capable groups
Yes, thats what I meant
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Probably a country that lost to Norway in the World Cup.
Imo russia most likely
those script kiddies control botnets in foreign countries and use them to attack stuff just bc. its not their compute, so no marginal cost to them
The UK. It wants to steal Norway's vast stores of electricity.
"vast stores of electricity"?
Electricity production in Norway is predominantly hydroelectric.
When it rains dams fill up. The water is drained into shafts with turbines, and electricity is generated.
However, even though we are big on hydroelectricity percentage wise I’m not sure it’s all that vast an amount of electricity on a global scale. We are a pretty small country after all.
According to Wikipedia, the Norwegian electricity sector had 40.26 GW installed capacity as of 2021 and was producing 157.113 TWh in the same year. [1]
Great Britain had 74.8 GW installed capacity in 2023 and was producing 292.7 TWh in 2023. [2]
France was producing 537.7 TWh in 2020. [3]
Germany was producing 488.5 TWh in 2024. [4]
[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity_sector_in_Norway
[2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity_in_Great_Britain
[3]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity_sector_in_France
[4]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity_sector_in_Germany
It stored energy. It's not stored electricity.
Really, you have no one in mind? Someone who is sending hundreds of bombing drones daily to Ukraine, killing civilian population, women and children, and who is eager to send a message to NATO countries any way possible?
That is much less effective than every other manner they tested on the past few years such as shadow fleets, ghost satellites etc.
Up to the moment it has not been the operation adopted which would make it weird.
On who would do it then, anyone who benefits from instability. From corporations trying to sell flocked uped sytems, politicians, etc.
There is one south american country who was attacked exactly this way before their head of the government was kidnapped.
You don't understand Kremlin's mentality. Any even little nasty thing they can do to the West makes them giggle like Doctor Evil. "Oh, a NATO country's government infra was not protected from DDoS? Let's have fun, haha!" You are dealing with story book villains. I know, this sounds so ridiculous it's hard to believe someone can actually be like this. But then the reality check hits.
Would the attack be successful is the Norwegian government used a way to protect itself against ddos like cloudflare or akamai?
There has been also DDoS against my friend's employer ISP. He had to work a lot to mitigate. There was a random request before
The bus card ride purchase system was down today in my part of Finland. I wonder if it is related.
Bets on which AI lab it is this time?
Many important services with problems. Ouch. My guess is that the root cause is misconfiguration rather than an attack.
The Internet was supposed to withstand a nuclear attack
"The internet" is currently fine, besides Norwegian government services.
Also something designed to withstand something does not imply it survives other somethings.
Guess a nuclear attack would actually lessen the load on the global internet, rather than increase it - like a DDOS would!
putler?
Could be, but it does not look like any of the ways they done before. Anyone who benefits from instability would be at win, from internal political competition, foreign companies trying to sell flocked up systems and the list could be huge.
Not saying it was not who you think it was, Im just saying it does not have enough information yet to be the only explanation or at least the most obvious one.
could just be openai.
Your comment is dumb and disgusting. You're comparing Putin with Hitler, thereby showing that you don't know that relatives of Putin were killed by Hitler's troops, e.g. his brother during the siege of Leningrad (1+ million civilians killed), his grandmother was killed as a civilian, his uncles perished during frontline service and his father was severely wounded[1].
By the way, numerous high ranking German politicians regularly also do this kind of comparison, showing the lack of knowledge about the history of their own country. Can anyone show me JUST A SINGLE MEMORIAL in Germany for the 20+ million (lower bound estimate) people killed on the eastern front? Yes, there is one in the heart of Berlin, which the Soviets built in 1945!
[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_of_Vladimir_Putin
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Hey, hey
Did you know
Multiple things can in fact, be bad
I immediately knew that you are an U.S. American, because of you total lack of knowledge about European history. It's always the same old story, Americans and their lack of education about global topics.
This is a non-sequitur.
As someone from Poland I want to confirm that multiple things can be in fact bad.
Being invaded by Nazi Germany and days later by their ally, Russia was example of such case.
Maybe you should stop invading other countries if these comparisons hurt your feelings buddy.
I always find it unbelievable how people do not know or just forget about what happened in the east 85 years ago. Really sad. This is one of the primary reasons why people in the west don't understand why Russia cannot accept Ukraine in NATO. It was NATO that expanded to the east, contrary to the agreements after the fall of the Soviet Union. Russia said for decades that Ukraine in NATO is unacceptable.
Ukraine sought NATO membership AFTER Russia attacked in 2014, not before.
Since you’re such a history buff, what did Russia promise when Ukraine got rid of their nukes?
Let me tell you what's actually "really sad": Bucha as a response to sovereign country's attempt to join NATO. Having a hostile country as a neighbour isn't an excuse for starting a war with it.
> what happened in the east 85 years ago
Russia got attacked by their ally, Nazi Germany. After 87 years ago in 1939 they invaded together Poland.
> Really sad.
Yeah, Russia going on to win WW II was quite sad. Admittedly better than Nazis winning but pity they have not both lost.
> contrary to the agreements after the fall of the Soviet Union
which supposed agreements? Were they any more binding than Budapest Memorandum?
> Russia said for decades that Ukraine in NATO is unacceptable.
And Russia in Ukraine is unacceptable for us.