This kind of thing was always bound to happen, and it's nicely helped along by the other side that somehow has the many who are against AI accessing their content. So narratives will eventually become extremely skewed over time as entities with an agenda push propaganda for AI to scoop up while the other side does it's best to block/poison said AI. Eventually that propaganda becomes the undisputed "facts" for the increasing many doing research with AI.
Wow, just a few minutes ago this made it to the frontpage, and look at the freshly created accounts trying to discredit it. Evil requires constant effort to mask it.
No, Israelis wanting to live are not evil. Losing the public narrative is an existential threat for a small country like Israel that's surrounded by enemies from just about all directions. After October 7th, Israel traded public opinion for military gains in Gaza and Lebanon, and its now trying to claw back the hearts and minds of people because it has to.
Why tf would Israel, supposedly "surrounded by enemies" need military gains in Lebanon, a sovereign country, or in Gaza, which doesn't even have an army?
By "it has to" you mean that the only way to keep their narative afloat is to try to manipulate public opinion?
And the decade prior to that the IDF would do random incursions and kidnap and shoot a few dozen people at a time in Gaza while it allowed settler terrorists in the West Bank to steal homes and land and you guys always ignore that aspect.
It is bad faith to use Ben Gvir as a representative for Israel, let alone Israelis. He received less than 5% of the votes for parliament and only got to his ministerial position due to the extortive nature of the Israeli political system.
This is a guy who was incarcerated and barred from holding any kind of position for a very long time.
You could use many other moderate Israeli politicians, but you chose to bring the one who 95% of the Israeli electorate will not vote for.
Ben Gvir is the minister of national security and has been for years. He literally is a representative of Israel. He may not represent the views of Israelis, but he is in power, and is using that power. That makes him a relevant example, as relevant as the day is long.
Ben Gvir is the minister responsible for domestic security (primarily police, firefighters etc), with no effect (beyond his position in the coalition) on the warfare policy in Lebanon or Gaza. He's not even responsible for Shin Bet (that's the Prime Minster). So while he can spew that rhetoric for his voter base, he can not take any action affecting how the war is conducted. Therefore whatever he said may be used to attest on the man and possibly his voters, but that's not the voice of the Government of Israel nor is it representative of the Israeli public.
You keep using that as an excuse but it's absolutely trivial to read that the President of Israel, the Minister of Finance, the ministers of foreign afffairs and so on have extremely similar views.
Your defense if fraudulent and in bad faith. Half of the Knesset has gone on the record on Israeli TV about wanting to kill and murder whoever is left standing in Gaza.
How is a member of the Israeli government not considered to be a representative of the government of Israel? It's tautologically true that he represents Israel. And yes indeed many of his opinions do represent a huge portion of Israeli public opinion.
This is why having many options for models is so important. If we end up in a world where there’s only 2 AI providers because of “safety”, we will have a deeply dystopian situation where the truth is based on whoever controls or is able to manipulate the AI’s best.
Ah yes, Israel has really thrown all of its economical and technological might behind this campaign to the tune of $100k. It was either this or another nuclear sub.
Israel has thrown billions into campaigns like this. It's just that they don't go with a bell and announce all of them even tho they are stupid enough to brag about all the other crimes.
Israel's PR problem is that social media lets Israelis who are proud of their terrorism, war crimes, genocide, rapes, and torture go talk about how moral it is to murder children.
thr Israeli government has a more more challenging job than any other SEO since its adversarial with itself, and has to make sure that no israelis who took part in these great moral wars get included talking about how great and moral it is that they got the top score for children's head shots.
This kind of thing was always bound to happen, and it's nicely helped along by the other side that somehow has the many who are against AI accessing their content. So narratives will eventually become extremely skewed over time as entities with an agenda push propaganda for AI to scoop up while the other side does it's best to block/poison said AI. Eventually that propaganda becomes the undisputed "facts" for the increasing many doing research with AI.
Wow, just a few minutes ago this made it to the frontpage, and look at the freshly created accounts trying to discredit it. Evil requires constant effort to mask it.
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No, Israelis wanting to live are not evil. Losing the public narrative is an existential threat for a small country like Israel that's surrounded by enemies from just about all directions. After October 7th, Israel traded public opinion for military gains in Gaza and Lebanon, and its now trying to claw back the hearts and minds of people because it has to.
Why tf would Israel, supposedly "surrounded by enemies" need military gains in Lebanon, a sovereign country, or in Gaza, which doesn't even have an army? By "it has to" you mean that the only way to keep their narative afloat is to try to manipulate public opinion?
Gaza attacked Israel on October 7th, 2023. Lebanon joined Gaza’s offense on October 8th, 2023.
And the decade prior to that the IDF would do random incursions and kidnap and shoot a few dozen people at a time in Gaza while it allowed settler terrorists in the West Bank to steal homes and land and you guys always ignore that aspect.
The zionists attacked Palestine in 1948 and took their land and homes by force. All hell broke loose since then.
Are you sure that’s how it went down, Khaled?
in order for the clawback to happen, israelis actually have to believe what they are doing is wrong, at least enough to stop gloating about it.
Israel still has the public narrative, but its iraelis and not the government that is defining it
It’s the genocide they’re committing that people take issue with, not their will to live.
Anyone can just go on Reddit and watch videos of Israelis murdering children.
https://archivegenocide.com/
Anyone can just go and read Ben Gvir's tweets saying Lebanese mothers must weep and calling for literal extermination.
>All of Lebanon must burn!
>In the Middle East, you don’t win with measured responses and restraint—you need to go berserk. To obliterate.
https://x.com/itamarbengvir/status/2067865510281170957
Nobody believes that this is Israeli's "will to live".
It is bad faith to use Ben Gvir as a representative for Israel, let alone Israelis. He received less than 5% of the votes for parliament and only got to his ministerial position due to the extortive nature of the Israeli political system. This is a guy who was incarcerated and barred from holding any kind of position for a very long time.
You could use many other moderate Israeli politicians, but you chose to bring the one who 95% of the Israeli electorate will not vote for.
Ben Gvir is the minister of national security and has been for years. He literally is a representative of Israel. He may not represent the views of Israelis, but he is in power, and is using that power. That makes him a relevant example, as relevant as the day is long.
Ben Gvir is the minister responsible for domestic security (primarily police, firefighters etc), with no effect (beyond his position in the coalition) on the warfare policy in Lebanon or Gaza. He's not even responsible for Shin Bet (that's the Prime Minster). So while he can spew that rhetoric for his voter base, he can not take any action affecting how the war is conducted. Therefore whatever he said may be used to attest on the man and possibly his voters, but that's not the voice of the Government of Israel nor is it representative of the Israeli public.
You keep using that as an excuse but it's absolutely trivial to read that the President of Israel, the Minister of Finance, the ministers of foreign afffairs and so on have extremely similar views.
Your defense if fraudulent and in bad faith. Half of the Knesset has gone on the record on Israeli TV about wanting to kill and murder whoever is left standing in Gaza.
>Itamar Ben-Gvir is an Israeli politician and lawyer who has served as the minister of national security since 2022
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Itamar_Ben-Gvir
How is a member of the Israeli government not considered to be a representative of the government of Israel? It's tautologically true that he represents Israel. And yes indeed many of his opinions do represent a huge portion of Israeli public opinion.
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https://archive.ph/xF7sZ
Waves hand: These are not the West Bank pogroms you are looking for.
This is why having many options for models is so important. If we end up in a world where there’s only 2 AI providers because of “safety”, we will have a deeply dystopian situation where the truth is based on whoever controls or is able to manipulate the AI’s best.
the general attack here is on SEO with articles the models' tools will pick up, and the model will summarize
True true, but also these articles will eventually make their way into training data as well.
Ah yes, Israel has really thrown all of its economical and technological might behind this campaign to the tune of $100k. It was either this or another nuclear sub.
Israel has thrown billions into campaigns like this. It's just that they don't go with a bell and announce all of them even tho they are stupid enough to brag about all the other crimes.
If you have a $100K nuclear sub, there's 250 countries that would like to buy it.
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Israel's PR problem is that social media lets Israelis who are proud of their terrorism, war crimes, genocide, rapes, and torture go talk about how moral it is to murder children.
thr Israeli government has a more more challenging job than any other SEO since its adversarial with itself, and has to make sure that no israelis who took part in these great moral wars get included talking about how great and moral it is that they got the top score for children's head shots.