> Democrats have historically been the party of “vote for me for more free stuff,"
Democrats are more fiscally responsible than Republicans, consistently, for decades. You're perpetuating a myth, pushed by conservatives, that liberals are "tax and spend".
> these vote buying schemes from both parties
Where do you see vote buying schemes from the Democrat side? The only examples I've seen so far of this in reality are this current scheme, and Elon Musk's scheme last election.
"Both sides" are not equal. Republicans have given up on the rule of law and are actively aiming to eliminate democracy.
just one question: is it a deeper or shallower stain than slavery, trail of tears, lynchings, nuking japan, vietnam, 1 million dead in the second gulf war, etc etc etc?
That’s one way to get enough money to buy automatic weapons and a pretty stash of ammo to all the capitol loving patrioters, after they blew up his slush fund.
Glad the law doesn’t count for the King, otherwise he would be in trouble.
The president’s Autopen though is going into overdrive signing all the pardons for every American who actually took the 5k.
Whoever makes or offers to make an expenditure to any person, either to vote or withhold his vote, or to vote for or against any candidate; and
Whoever solicits, accepts, or receives any such expenditure in consideration of his vote or the withholding of his vote—
Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both; and if the violation was wilful, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.
The sooner this guy is impeached the better. That's better than letting his term just run out as it offers more of a warning to other fruitcakes out there: the system _eventually_ works.
Since becoming president again, Trump has promised:
-$5000 stimulus checks via "DOGE dividend"
-$2000 stimulus checks via "tariff dividend"
-$1000+ checks via "savings" from expiring ACA subsidies
-$5000 "dividend" if Rs win midterms
No checks have been issuedhttps://www.thebulwark.com/p/trump-magically-disappearing-st...
Yes it is different: he conditioned it on voting for him. And he is not claiming to improve any governmental system to finance this, like other politicians do when they promise welfare or tax cuts: he is saying the money is there, he is the only one who can use it, and whether you get it or not depends on giving him your vote.
You’re right, the “both sides” claim really doesn’t work here.
Biden’s student loan forgiveness would have amounted to a gift of potentially hundreds of thousands of dollars to his most ardent supporters: young, college educated, poor people.
Trump’s proposal is a fraction of that, and all Americans would be eligible. If he’s trying to buy votes, he’s going to need to try a lot harder. This proposal is nothing like Biden’s vote buying scheme.
Funny that you wake up and rise only now. Where was you righteous indignation when Republicans promises tax cuts? Can you point me to your contemporary reaction to "no tax on tips"? What made you react only now?
Have you missed where Trump himself and many of the wealthiest people in the U.S. have had integer multiples of their wealth over just the past couple of years?
> young, college educated, poor people
Oh yea, you're correct, who needs those? Let's feed the 0.01%.
"The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money." -Alexis De Tocqueville
But turns out it's a fun game for another branch of government too.
Good way to spend $1.3T that this party of fiscal responsibility doesn't have.
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> Democrats have historically been the party of “vote for me for more free stuff,"
Democrats are more fiscally responsible than Republicans, consistently, for decades. You're perpetuating a myth, pushed by conservatives, that liberals are "tax and spend".
> these vote buying schemes from both parties
Where do you see vote buying schemes from the Democrat side? The only examples I've seen so far of this in reality are this current scheme, and Elon Musk's scheme last election.
"Both sides" are not equal. Republicans have given up on the rule of law and are actively aiming to eliminate democracy.
An incredible stain on the history of the US.
just one question: is it a deeper or shallower stain than slavery, trail of tears, lynchings, nuking japan, vietnam, 1 million dead in the second gulf war, etc etc etc?
lol
It’s a stain precisely because it proves Americans don’t learn from those past stains
It's too early to say, it depends on how the Iran conundrum wraps up.
That’s one way to get enough money to buy automatic weapons and a pretty stash of ammo to all the capitol loving patrioters, after they blew up his slush fund.
Glad the law doesn’t count for the King, otherwise he would be in trouble.
The president’s Autopen though is going into overdrive signing all the pardons for every American who actually took the 5k.
Whoever makes or offers to make an expenditure to any person, either to vote or withhold his vote, or to vote for or against any candidate; and
Whoever solicits, accepts, or receives any such expenditure in consideration of his vote or the withholding of his vote—
Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both; and if the violation was wilful, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.
- https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/597
The sooner this guy is impeached the better. That's better than letting his term just run out as it offers more of a warning to other fruitcakes out there: the system _eventually_ works.
Been impeached twice. What do you envision a third doing?
Conviction. Removal from office.
Third time’s the charm?
By all means let Senators defend and protect him. Maybe they don't care about their historical reputation
I try use my brain to logically approach it:
- 5k are promised in case of x to u.s. adults
Risk: too much adults to divide 5k equally amongst.
It is a quite popular reverse bribe in India. All parties offer something like this, but to particular demographics.
However Trump's promises mean nothing nowadays.
Confederate dollars.
Since becoming president again, Trump has promised: -$5000 stimulus checks via "DOGE dividend" -$2000 stimulus checks via "tariff dividend" -$1000+ checks via "savings" from expiring ACA subsidies -$5000 "dividend" if Rs win midterms No checks have been issued https://www.thebulwark.com/p/trump-magically-disappearing-st...
Catherine Rampell / The Bulwark via Bluesky https://bsky.app/profile/crampell.bsky.social/post/3mv4z7az4...
This guy loves inflation.
It wouldn’t just monetize the national debt. By inflating away his own debts he might actually become a billionaire.
Everyone wants to know why groceries are so damn expensive, here's your answer. Along with fighting wars that aren't ours.
I really wish Libertarians would actually win.
Libertarians are just conservatives who like weed
I would ask how this is legal, but then again, we wouldn't even be here if something being legal or not mattered.
It's no different than promises to increase welfare or cut taxes that politicians routinely make.
Yes it is different: he conditioned it on voting for him. And he is not claiming to improve any governmental system to finance this, like other politicians do when they promise welfare or tax cuts: he is saying the money is there, he is the only one who can use it, and whether you get it or not depends on giving him your vote.
This is much different than that. It's basically a direct bribe.
Or pay off student loan debt, it's all crooked, both sides.
"Both sides" is such an absurd claim these days.
It's like saying that a murderer and a jaywalker are both criminals, so they're basically the same.
Lol I see you've never met a stallman type (ie your average hn disposition)
You’re right, the “both sides” claim really doesn’t work here.
Biden’s student loan forgiveness would have amounted to a gift of potentially hundreds of thousands of dollars to his most ardent supporters: young, college educated, poor people.
Trump’s proposal is a fraction of that, and all Americans would be eligible. If he’s trying to buy votes, he’s going to need to try a lot harder. This proposal is nothing like Biden’s vote buying scheme.
Funny that you wake up and rise only now. Where was you righteous indignation when Republicans promises tax cuts? Can you point me to your contemporary reaction to "no tax on tips"? What made you react only now?
Have you missed where Trump himself and many of the wealthiest people in the U.S. have had integer multiples of their wealth over just the past couple of years?
> young, college educated, poor people
Oh yea, you're correct, who needs those? Let's feed the 0.01%.
Please beware the false moral equivalence. Both sides is a position which advantages the incumbency.
What is your intent, beyond cynicism?
Biden promised $2000 and paid out $1400, still owes us $600 each.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/15/critics-say-bidens-covid-rel...
"The only caveat I have is that the dividend that we're making must be spent in the United States of America."