For subscriptions, it is easier to collect the JSONL files from ~/.claude/projects/ and similar directories. They are better organized (e.g., subagents) than what the proxy sees.
However, the best value comes from collecting agent sessions across the whole organization. You'll need to scrub credentials and handle security.
GDPR doesn't cover unrecorded human memory, so you're fine to overhear whatever in a day-to-day setting. If you then do anything that looks like digital processing or cataloguing that information though, then you're making it a GDPR issue.
What’s the best way to pull (ie archive) and search these across a few harnesses? I remember seeing a project or two trying to standardize them, but can’t find anything that seems to be a good sensible solution
Ask claude to do it end to end, then write a solution that fits your needs from it's experience with you driving it.
I did exactly this - probably the single most valuable piece of software I've "written". It's the backbone of every piece of code coming out of any agent under my control (via MCP toolset).
I'd love to do something like this, or use API keys, but I still don't understand how people justify the cost of using API keys vs. subscription.
I tested it once, I'm in on the 20x claude max ($200/month) and I either max my weekly limit every week or come really close. But it only took 2-3 days to hit $200 spend with api keys.
I think in many cases the token bloat comes from using a fleet of autonomous agents that "collaborate" over a problem. Using one coherent agent loop with a human involved might not feel as futuristic but it's more effective and efficient (right now).
We have two wildly different cohorts of people. Those who see these tools as a technological curiosity and those who see them as a means to a specific end. I know that if I finish a task with a certain set of constraints that I will get paid a certain amount of money. I'd much rather be HITL on one very good agent loop if there is real money on the table. If you are mostly having fun, being curious, or exploring (which is fine!) then the cost of subscriptions might feel safer. Running an IRL version of factorio can get very expensive.
I also think the API tokens perform better but I have zero evidence other than observing the quality of my work product relative to that of my peers. I have almost a religious fervor about using prepaid tokens now. I am still using GPT5.5 in my copilot with custom model configuration for most heavy lifting in visual studio. It is more than sufficient. My average monthly token cost is <$100. Paying for a subscription would be more expensive because I have a predictable and controllable amount of demand.
This is analogous to variable vs fixed rate electricity. Paying the real time wholesale price is a massive economic advantage if you can figure out how to control the demand side of the house.
> This is analogous to variable vs fixed rate electricity. Paying the real time wholesale price is a massive economic advantage if you can figure out how to control the demand side of the house.
The current crop of flash models are more comparable to sonnet than opus but they are very affordable.
The reality is that the subscriptions are heavily subsidized. Pretty much every sub that's not run by one of the money-burning frontier labs has had to drop it or dramatically increase prices and lower limits in the last few months. Cheap tokens are an acquisition tool, not a real product. It sounds dramatic but it really is the drug dealer sales funnel.
At some point they're going to drop the real prices in your lab and you're going to have to figure out how to pay that much or pay someone else a lot less. Better to get a handle on it now.
It's not obvious the subsidization will end. Loss leaders are a thing. Most enterprise at this point are paying API pricing
To better predict what they'll do with it we'd need to know the proportion of token usage via API vs subscription. Keeping an affordable, slightly unprofitable subscription to get people in isn't a bad idea. They also get marketing benefits from the word of mouth
In the optimistic case you describe, what smart customers want to watch out for is being lured into vibing your projects into such byzantine slop-complexity that subscription plans and trailing models are no longer sufficient to make progress on them.
Vibe-coders talk about surrendering understanding to the models, trusting that there will always be a model able to overcome and work through any technical debt they happen to accumulate, but the danger that still lurks there (at least for the naive) is that you'll need increasingly large contexts, increasingly sophisticated models, and increasingly large token spends just to keep that ball rolling.
Between profitable enterprise accounts being ineligible for subscription, eager but busy people paying for underutilized subscriptions, and naive vibe-coders falling into their pit trap, you can indeed imagine subsidized subscription accounts being available for a long time and remaining an effective value hack for people careful enough not to fall into the pit trap. But only insofar as they are that careful.
Also they can always find another way to make money. Make subscription users product and sell some analytics like "show most trending project being built this week".
Also, some subset of developers on subscriptions are going to develop products that use the API, and some of those products are going to be successful.
> At some point they're going to drop the real prices in your lab
The real price for tokens at a specific level of intelligence is dropping rapidly. Between models improving and new hardware getting faster, I think prices will be going down, not up.
> Better to get a handle on it now.
I experiment with a lot of providers and models. I strongly disagree that anyone needs to start migrating now in preparation for prices maybe going up in the future.
It doesn’t make sense. Deal with a price increase when it happens, if it does.
Switching models and providers isn’t some huge lift. I can jump to a new model or even hardness and get a feel for it in a day or two. It’s not some huge undertaking that requires preparation and planning.
If prices go up, try something at that point in time. Don’t worry about it until then.
When Claude Code subscriptions really started to catch on, there was a popular idea on HN that Anthropic's end game was that basically every dev adjacent role would need to pay for a $200/mo coding plan.
Then, both Anthropic and OpenAI in lockstep developed a enterprise pricing structure that openly coerced large businesses to pay API prices where it was feasible to spend $200/day rather than the comparatively cheap $200/mo.
Even if token pricing relative to intelligence does trend down over time, that doesn't mean the pricing structure will actually translate to lower costs, particularly in the cash cow B2B market.
> At some point they're going to drop the real prices in your lab and you're going to have to figure out how to pay that much or pay someone else a lot less.
This only applies under the assumption that everyone tokenmaxxes their subscription.
I have visibility across a few different Claude team subscriptions. I'd say roughly 10% of people max their subscriptions.
I think I've only seen one organization where the under-used subs don't more than pay for the tokenmaxxed ones.
And that is ignoring the 90% margin that API inference runs at.
>At some point they're going to drop the real prices in your lab and you're going to have to figure out how to pay that much or pay someone else a lot less. Better to get a handle on it now.
So just wait until that happens? What's the point of scrimping and saving now? Not to mention you're paying for a premium in the meantime.
(meta commentary)
really gnarly word choice: "drop" in "they're going to drop the real prices in your lab"?
I took your meaning as "they're gonna drop [a bad surprise on you by raising] the real prices"... so at least it's not quite as tortured as the ambiguous "support for version N dropped today" (where you often can't even infer the direction from context).
this isn't just a tangent, I'm having trouble understanding the point you're trying to make, which hinges entirely on deciding if you meant "drop" literally
They meant "they're going to drop a bad surprise by charging you API prices", so yes, a better wording would be "they're going to give you a bad surprise in the form of forced API pricing".
I'm with you there. I'm on expensive plans with everyone because I run out of tokens and rotate/use the models that are best in their niche...
CLI Model Pct Remaining Reset Date
claude all models 15% 3d
claude Fable 50% 3d
grok all models 0% 4d
agy Gemini 36% 5d
agy Claude and GPT models 0% 5d
codex codex 0% 6d
And I also just used two of my three get-another-week-free tokens for codex.
If you've got an agentic swarm, or are working on multiple big projects at once, or have agents parsing data... you burn through tokens fast. The last four days in API would have cost me well over $3k.
I think businesses are footing the majority of that bill right now due to regulatory requirements, but for individuals that price increase is def coming. Maybe I'm too pessimistic, but enjoy it while it lasts :')
Personally at home I use the free github copilot and then openrouter when that runs out. Last month I used $0.90 of openrouter. Zero so far this month. When my bill starts hitting double digits I'll consider options.
Different matter at work but even there we are paying for API costs and have a monthly allowance (starts at $200/month but increases fairly easy to get)
The drug dealer gives you a free hit because it is profitable for him in the long term for you to be addicted to his product, not because he is your friend.
If you're genuinely curious, I'd recommend searching around about the history of this persistent urban legend. It's really interesting.
But the short version is that there are lots of people who want to buy any given drug and drug dealers sell them. I don't know exactly what you mean by "WAIT for people to demand the more profitable drugs", but there typically isn't a whole lot of waiting. There's a lot of demand out there. Giving away a bunch of free fentanyl to random people in the hopes that one of them instantly gets addicted would be a pretty wasteful and high risk sales tactic, especially given the number of people that want to buy it already.
...yes? It doesn't literally kill you if use more tokens than usual?
And we're talking about subscription plans from OpenAI/Anthropic here. Switching to a different model and/or harness if the price changes isn't a "the world has run out of opioids and I'm going to need a detox center" level crisis.
The original question was "are you sure an OpenAI subscription isn't heroin?" Different impacts of overuse (death vs slop code) feels like a valid point of difference.
This is a weirdly melodramatic analogy.
If you want to flatten everything to "all things habit forming are definitionally equivalent", you'll get some pretty funky results.
You're equivocating, they were talking about addiction, you're talking about overuse/overdose which is where the analogy breaks down for pretty obvious reasons.
What? (1) Yes.. it's never that [stupid economics, they don't want their purchasers to die.. might as well sell fentanyl], (2) it's always that [hardly any way to propose alternatives.. within the scope of not killing the customer]
I'm not sure exactly what you're implying but if you're curious, there's a lot of writing about the persistence of this particular urban legend. A lot of it starts with 1920s newspapers painting pictures of dastardly drug peddlers luring in children with free drugs to get them hooked.
Turns out that drug dealers by and large prefer the straightforward approach of selling drugs to the huge market of people who want to take them.
You might not have a choice. For example, if you want to get a guarantee from Anthropic that they don't train bases on your prompts, you will need an enterprise deal, which is pay-by-token.
I’m not sure what people are doing with these subscriptions to feel the need to monitor what’s going on this closely. A $100 OpenAI subscription feels effectively infinite for my usage at home
I let them install the free ISP router a year back when they installed fiber in the neighborhood. I assumed I would swap it out the next day, but I haven't had any issues like back in the day. I love shopping for a nice router as much as the next tech nerd, but decent drop-in home networking seems to be pretty commodity now days.
I've never touched my ISP-provided router. But maybe it's just how it works in my country (Malaysia), we pretty much only have 1 ISP with monopoly, so maybe that helps.
Cache TTL will get you anyway. For Claude subscriptions, subagents still have a 5m TTL and before I discovered that, their constant waits for ~10 min tests or similar tasks would destroy my 5h usage. And for my API subscription at work, Claude has a 5m TTL for all stuff, and that's nowhere near long enough. You have to be monitoring this unless you want to absolutely torch your company's budget.
Tailscale makes Aperture available for free, and while it's not something you own, it is in your tailnet, so at least you have a certain amount of control over how things access it.
It gives a nice view of what agents are doing, with lots of configurability and extensions, and the team behind it has been updating pretty steadily.
I happen to be working on an extension to Aperture, so I have my own reason to promote it. But I do think it's a nice easy solution, and I promoted it to people before I was extending it.
I'm building a "bring your own data" layer for agentic work of all sorts, using the webhook method for now.
In the context of Aperture, I watch for agents looking for certain types/sources of data, and instead provide them with an in-tailnet API for accessing that data.
In a personal context, think email, calendar events, music playlists, fitness app records, transactions. I've also found it useful in a professional context, but I think I need to explore that a fair bit more.
It keeps credentials out of agents hands, and provides some relatively standard ways for controlling what agents can see and change.
I need a fair bit of hardening work before I try to get random folk to use it, but I might post something more here in the next week. :)
1) What kind of guardrails are you using? Do you do models like prompt injection checkers? Or what guardrails are useful that do not know the environment the agent lives in?
2) I heard Bifrost also works for this. Did you try that as well, pros/cons?
I'm not the person you asked but yes pretty much. I've found the prompt injection protection models pretty limited, but get good results from gpt-oss-safeguard with a policy describing various prompt injection techniques. More expensive but more flexible and reliable and I only run it on web fetch and web search results. Costs me like 5-20 cents a day depending on what I'm working on.
Yeah you should run an LLM proxy, but imagine a world where LiteLLM and all the other LLM shovels weren't buggy vibecoded messes. And with the velocity of updates I feel there has to be vulnerabilities there. Or am I just holding it wrong? Anyone got a good alternative?
This general phenomenon is not new, but it has been so obvious during 2026. Everyone want to consume everyone else hard work, to create their own slop. Just pure egoism.
I agree its so important to proxy and capture all the data. I've been very happy with bifrost as a proxy. It's a quality piece of software, unlike LiteLLM. You also get this one interface to access all your models, across all services, including self-hosted, STT models, everything. There are ways to use subscriptions with proxies too, but they are discouraged because of grey-hat uses..
prob a noob question; but what kind of data are people looking to get to help with what kind of decisions with these tools?
i can see some IT/infra team using these tools to manage their LLM costs, but this blog post seems to hint at some kind of product decision making? what am i missing here?
It is a not proxy. It can clearly show whats going on across all agents. The proxy's are generally inconvenient and yet another point of failure. I think the author got to the resort option quickly
OpenRouter does all this for you. It's pretty nice. Although for apps I use another server to lock down the requests even more and prevent the client from seeing my API key.
I don't do this but I do have a system that imports all my conversations with AI (claude code, chatgpt, claude app, etc.) to a storage system I call Chatacombs: a unified storage of most conversations I've had with AI, as detailed as I can easily get.
Well that was one of the reasons why i build my own agent/harness - to have actual full observability of what it is doing and why it is doing what it is doing.
Don't really understand why other agents to give those insights but well found my solution.
All that posturing for the purpose to be manually monitoring cache hits and misses. This can't be serious. Buy a larger plan or reduce some instructions and you don't have to deal with this waste of time.
Because the details we care about right now already travelling over the network and the industry is adopting OTEL, where you can export and collate kernel things if you need to
I am boggled how the first step of an llm after you make an orchestrator isn't some kind of proxy that records your personal internet surfing to be used by your personal AI later. Every college should be running in house AI with their own in house search engines and in house any service. Don't go to any college that wants you to use chatgpt or other corporate nonsense. If they can't make local LLMs work, they are not a real college.
With just a 12gb VRAM GPU + 64gb of CPU RAM, and you can actually own your own infrastructure. I can't wait for hardware prices to fall so that becomes even more accessible.
I use GoModel and its amazing. My favorite features are virtual model, the support for arbitrary request labels, and the nice dashboads / ui. Creator has more sophisticated report generation on the near term roadmap. He's super responsive to feedback and ships fast. (except for his recent trip to the US west coast to meet founders and investors, he's EU based)
You can use and control all.your subscriptions or aoikeys through a gateway like this, so you don't get pwned like what just happened with OpenCode (or an OpenRouter like vendor). GoModel has some ambitions like this, but is open source so you can run it on you own infra, with plans for self hosted enterprise as well (there are a few features already like SSO). We are rolling out the free version at work right now.
I run GoModel at home and have hyper detailed history of every agent interaction, across models running on my sparks and OpenCode sub. You can call me a committed superfan of this project.
Proxies are good if you pay API prices.
For subscriptions, it is easier to collect the JSONL files from ~/.claude/projects/ and similar directories. They are better organized (e.g., subagents) than what the proxy sees.
However, the best value comes from collecting agent sessions across the whole organization. You'll need to scrub credentials and handle security.
If you're in the EU, be aware that the chats might contain PII. Even if someone says something like "Sorry I have dyslexia" in a chat, that's PII.
So id be very careful with chats and treat them like chats, not like code.
Out of curiosity, what if someone says “I have dyslexia” into their dictation app in the next desk over?
Is my brain now subject to GDPR regulations?
Not an attack on you, but my word am I thankful I don’t participate in the European regulatory regime.
GDPR doesn't cover unrecorded human memory, so you're fine to overhear whatever in a day-to-day setting. If you then do anything that looks like digital processing or cataloguing that information though, then you're making it a GDPR issue.
What’s the best way to pull (ie archive) and search these across a few harnesses? I remember seeing a project or two trying to standardize them, but can’t find anything that seems to be a good sensible solution
I've used https://github.com/kenn-io/agentsview and found it to be quite sensible. Main friction point for me is I want it to be easier to extend.
Thanks will check it out
Ask claude to do it end to end, then write a solution that fits your needs from it's experience with you driving it.
I did exactly this - probably the single most valuable piece of software I've "written". It's the backbone of every piece of code coming out of any agent under my control (via MCP toolset).
That’s like half a day to get to sensible useful defaults that everybody needs. Any chance you’d be up to push what you got to git?
No archival, but simply for searching https://github.com/raine/claude-history
I've been using https://getmaestro.ai/ for 3 months now and I like it. Good founders.
I think that T3 Code tries to do something like this, though I do not use it and have not used it, and I have heard good things about this.
Don't install a second harness. You only need one to begin with!
I mean Claude and codex both have their uses for me and I’m one of the deranged running my own inferencing box with Qwen Next so I need pi for it.
I'd love to do something like this, or use API keys, but I still don't understand how people justify the cost of using API keys vs. subscription.
I tested it once, I'm in on the 20x claude max ($200/month) and I either max my weekly limit every week or come really close. But it only took 2-3 days to hit $200 spend with api keys.
I think in many cases the token bloat comes from using a fleet of autonomous agents that "collaborate" over a problem. Using one coherent agent loop with a human involved might not feel as futuristic but it's more effective and efficient (right now).
We have two wildly different cohorts of people. Those who see these tools as a technological curiosity and those who see them as a means to a specific end. I know that if I finish a task with a certain set of constraints that I will get paid a certain amount of money. I'd much rather be HITL on one very good agent loop if there is real money on the table. If you are mostly having fun, being curious, or exploring (which is fine!) then the cost of subscriptions might feel safer. Running an IRL version of factorio can get very expensive.
I also think the API tokens perform better but I have zero evidence other than observing the quality of my work product relative to that of my peers. I have almost a religious fervor about using prepaid tokens now. I am still using GPT5.5 in my copilot with custom model configuration for most heavy lifting in visual studio. It is more than sufficient. My average monthly token cost is <$100. Paying for a subscription would be more expensive because I have a predictable and controllable amount of demand.
This is analogous to variable vs fixed rate electricity. Paying the real time wholesale price is a massive economic advantage if you can figure out how to control the demand side of the house.
> This is analogous to variable vs fixed rate electricity. Paying the real time wholesale price is a massive economic advantage if you can figure out how to control the demand side of the house.
Wholesale electricity is almost always cheaper.
Sorry, I have to be that guy... https://xkcd.com/386/
The current crop of flash models are more comparable to sonnet than opus but they are very affordable.
The reality is that the subscriptions are heavily subsidized. Pretty much every sub that's not run by one of the money-burning frontier labs has had to drop it or dramatically increase prices and lower limits in the last few months. Cheap tokens are an acquisition tool, not a real product. It sounds dramatic but it really is the drug dealer sales funnel.
At some point they're going to drop the real prices in your lab and you're going to have to figure out how to pay that much or pay someone else a lot less. Better to get a handle on it now.
It's not obvious the subsidization will end. Loss leaders are a thing. Most enterprise at this point are paying API pricing
To better predict what they'll do with it we'd need to know the proportion of token usage via API vs subscription. Keeping an affordable, slightly unprofitable subscription to get people in isn't a bad idea. They also get marketing benefits from the word of mouth
In the optimistic case you describe, what smart customers want to watch out for is being lured into vibing your projects into such byzantine slop-complexity that subscription plans and trailing models are no longer sufficient to make progress on them.
Vibe-coders talk about surrendering understanding to the models, trusting that there will always be a model able to overcome and work through any technical debt they happen to accumulate, but the danger that still lurks there (at least for the naive) is that you'll need increasingly large contexts, increasingly sophisticated models, and increasingly large token spends just to keep that ball rolling.
Between profitable enterprise accounts being ineligible for subscription, eager but busy people paying for underutilized subscriptions, and naive vibe-coders falling into their pit trap, you can indeed imagine subsidized subscription accounts being available for a long time and remaining an effective value hack for people careful enough not to fall into the pit trap. But only insofar as they are that careful.
Also they can always find another way to make money. Make subscription users product and sell some analytics like "show most trending project being built this week".
Also, some subset of developers on subscriptions are going to develop products that use the API, and some of those products are going to be successful.
> At some point they're going to drop the real prices in your lab
The real price for tokens at a specific level of intelligence is dropping rapidly. Between models improving and new hardware getting faster, I think prices will be going down, not up.
> Better to get a handle on it now.
I experiment with a lot of providers and models. I strongly disagree that anyone needs to start migrating now in preparation for prices maybe going up in the future.
It doesn’t make sense. Deal with a price increase when it happens, if it does.
Switching models and providers isn’t some huge lift. I can jump to a new model or even hardness and get a feel for it in a day or two. It’s not some huge undertaking that requires preparation and planning.
If prices go up, try something at that point in time. Don’t worry about it until then.
When Claude Code subscriptions really started to catch on, there was a popular idea on HN that Anthropic's end game was that basically every dev adjacent role would need to pay for a $200/mo coding plan.
Then, both Anthropic and OpenAI in lockstep developed a enterprise pricing structure that openly coerced large businesses to pay API prices where it was feasible to spend $200/day rather than the comparatively cheap $200/mo.
Even if token pricing relative to intelligence does trend down over time, that doesn't mean the pricing structure will actually translate to lower costs, particularly in the cash cow B2B market.
Its insane, I don't possibly understand how they convinced companies to pay 30x
What was the alternative? It takes time for the open weight ecosystem to develop.
> At some point they're going to drop the real prices in your lab and you're going to have to figure out how to pay that much or pay someone else a lot less.
This only applies under the assumption that everyone tokenmaxxes their subscription.
I have visibility across a few different Claude team subscriptions. I'd say roughly 10% of people max their subscriptions.
I think I've only seen one organization where the under-used subs don't more than pay for the tokenmaxxed ones.
And that is ignoring the 90% margin that API inference runs at.
>At some point they're going to drop the real prices in your lab and you're going to have to figure out how to pay that much or pay someone else a lot less. Better to get a handle on it now.
So just wait until that happens? What's the point of scrimping and saving now? Not to mention you're paying for a premium in the meantime.
I don’t disagree really and it is mostly what I am doing. I put probably like 20% of my work through open weights.
It does make me sharper I think. If you only ever use claude or whatever you don’t even really know exactly how tied to it you are.
Funny enough the drug dealer thing still holds. A deal’s a deal if you’re going to buy it anyway.
(meta commentary) really gnarly word choice: "drop" in "they're going to drop the real prices in your lab"?
I took your meaning as "they're gonna drop [a bad surprise on you by raising] the real prices"... so at least it's not quite as tortured as the ambiguous "support for version N dropped today" (where you often can't even infer the direction from context).
this isn't just a tangent, I'm having trouble understanding the point you're trying to make, which hinges entirely on deciding if you meant "drop" literally
They meant "they're going to drop a bad surprise by charging you API prices", so yes, a better wording would be "they're going to give you a bad surprise in the form of forced API pricing".
I'm with you there. I'm on expensive plans with everyone because I run out of tokens and rotate/use the models that are best in their niche...
CLI Model Pct Remaining Reset Date claude all models 15% 3d claude Fable 50% 3d grok all models 0% 4d agy Gemini 36% 5d agy Claude and GPT models 0% 5d codex codex 0% 6d
And I also just used two of my three get-another-week-free tokens for codex.
If you've got an agentic swarm, or are working on multiple big projects at once, or have agents parsing data... you burn through tokens fast. The last four days in API would have cost me well over $3k.
I think businesses are footing the majority of that bill right now due to regulatory requirements, but for individuals that price increase is def coming. Maybe I'm too pessimistic, but enjoy it while it lasts :')
They are betting on people don't max out their subscription.
Someone who pays $20 a month may only use 10% of their max budget.
Personally at home I use the free github copilot and then openrouter when that runs out. Last month I used $0.90 of openrouter. Zero so far this month. When my bill starts hitting double digits I'll consider options.
Different matter at work but even there we are paying for API costs and have a monthly allowance (starts at $200/month but increases fairly easy to get)
This is true for pretty much every fixed price subscription service in existence
I honestly feel a bit worried Anthropic/OpenAI are going to drop me since I consistently hit my limits
The drug dealer gives you a free hit because it is profitable for him in the long term for you to be addicted to his product, not because he is your friend.
It's weird to me how often this analogy gets used because:
1. In most cases, like this one, the product isn't heroin.
2. Drug dealers don't actually do that.
> "1. In most cases, like this one, the product isn't heroin."
I'm not sure about that. Someone using AI for productivity every day will experience massive issues if you suddenly take it away.
It's even the whole business model of MS Copilot: They don't work with companies to have their data structured in the past or going forward.
They don't help you to structure your business "life", they offer a tool you consume to make sense of it while you use it.
The moment you stop using it, you'll struggle to even make sense of your own past actions.
> "2. Drug dealers don't actually do that."
It would be a weird business if they only WAIT for people to demand the more profitable drugs...
If you're genuinely curious, I'd recommend searching around about the history of this persistent urban legend. It's really interesting.
But the short version is that there are lots of people who want to buy any given drug and drug dealers sell them. I don't know exactly what you mean by "WAIT for people to demand the more profitable drugs", but there typically isn't a whole lot of waiting. There's a lot of demand out there. Giving away a bunch of free fentanyl to random people in the hopes that one of them instantly gets addicted would be a pretty wasteful and high risk sales tactic, especially given the number of people that want to buy it already.
Are you sure the product isn't heroin? If we take it away, there's a bunch of people around here at least that will definitely experience withdrawal.
...yes? It doesn't literally kill you if use more tokens than usual?
And we're talking about subscription plans from OpenAI/Anthropic here. Switching to a different model and/or harness if the price changes isn't a "the world has run out of opioids and I'm going to need a detox center" level crisis.
You're describing the impact of overuse or moving to another dealer, not withdrawing from it altogether ;)
The original question was "are you sure an OpenAI subscription isn't heroin?" Different impacts of overuse (death vs slop code) feels like a valid point of difference.
This is a weirdly melodramatic analogy.
If you want to flatten everything to "all things habit forming are definitionally equivalent", you'll get some pretty funky results.
You're equivocating, they were talking about addiction, you're talking about overuse/overdose which is where the analogy breaks down for pretty obvious reasons.
What? (1) Yes.. it's never that [stupid economics, they don't want their purchasers to die.. might as well sell fentanyl], (2) it's always that [hardly any way to propose alternatives.. within the scope of not killing the customer]
I'm not sure exactly what you're implying but if you're curious, there's a lot of writing about the persistence of this particular urban legend. A lot of it starts with 1920s newspapers painting pictures of dastardly drug peddlers luring in children with free drugs to get them hooked.
Turns out that drug dealers by and large prefer the straightforward approach of selling drugs to the huge market of people who want to take them.
Another way to look at it is they are running a business. It's not even close to gambling for example.
Running businesses at massive losses with the expectation of making that money back by being _the_ monopoly on this technology.
You might not have a choice. For example, if you want to get a guarantee from Anthropic that they don't train bases on your prompts, you will need an enterprise deal, which is pay-by-token.
I’m not sure what people are doing with these subscriptions to feel the need to monitor what’s going on this closely. A $100 OpenAI subscription feels effectively infinite for my usage at home
I think people who monitor their usage like this are probably running $20-30 subscriptions or PAYG API pricing.
$100 a month on an LLM subscription for hobby usage is an absurd amount of money IMO.
Some people are fine with an ISP-provided router that just works, and some would rather run pfSense, if even just to look at the internals.
>ISP-provided router that just works
I don't remember the last time this was true. These things don't have a 'just works' mode.
I let them install the free ISP router a year back when they installed fiber in the neighborhood. I assumed I would swap it out the next day, but I haven't had any issues like back in the day. I love shopping for a nice router as much as the next tech nerd, but decent drop-in home networking seems to be pretty commodity now days.
Maybe things have improved and our needs have remained the same giving the illusion that the ISP supplied routers are good enough.
If things have improved and needs have remained the same then it’s not an illusion that the routers are good enough.
I've never touched my ISP-provided router. But maybe it's just how it works in my country (Malaysia), we pretty much only have 1 ISP with monopoly, so maybe that helps.
Maybe. In general though I think the speeds have improved and needs have remained the same giving the illusion that these things are good enough.
Exactly how I feel about the two major AI compute dealers.
Cache TTL will get you anyway. For Claude subscriptions, subagents still have a 5m TTL and before I discovered that, their constant waits for ~10 min tests or similar tasks would destroy my 5h usage. And for my API subscription at work, Claude has a 5m TTL for all stuff, and that's nowhere near long enough. You have to be monitoring this unless you want to absolutely torch your company's budget.
One man’s fun is another man’s “idk what any of these words mean, I pay $20/mo for some company to abstract this complexity away”
For clarity, I do like blog posts like these.
Tailscale makes Aperture available for free, and while it's not something you own, it is in your tailnet, so at least you have a certain amount of control over how things access it. It gives a nice view of what agents are doing, with lots of configurability and extensions, and the team behind it has been updating pretty steadily.
I happen to be working on an extension to Aperture, so I have my own reason to promote it. But I do think it's a nice easy solution, and I promoted it to people before I was extending it.
Aperture supports extensions? What sort are you working on?
They have "connectors" you can configure for a variety of services, and both specific external tools and custom webhooks: https://tailscale.com/docs/aperture/integrate
I'm building a "bring your own data" layer for agentic work of all sorts, using the webhook method for now.
In the context of Aperture, I watch for agents looking for certain types/sources of data, and instead provide them with an in-tailnet API for accessing that data.
In a personal context, think email, calendar events, music playlists, fitness app records, transactions. I've also found it useful in a professional context, but I think I need to explore that a fair bit more.
It keeps credentials out of agents hands, and provides some relatively standard ways for controlling what agents can see and change.
I need a fair bit of hardening work before I try to get random folk to use it, but I might post something more here in the next week. :)
Yup. Setting up liteLLMProxy on some servers as we speak and will start playing around.
I can't orchestrate agents in sandboxes without it.
1. It can issue virtual keys, so provider API keys never go near the sandbox
2. I can see everything
3. Guardrails
And much more
Looking forward to it.
1) What kind of guardrails are you using? Do you do models like prompt injection checkers? Or what guardrails are useful that do not know the environment the agent lives in?
2) I heard Bifrost also works for this. Did you try that as well, pros/cons?
I'm not the person you asked but yes pretty much. I've found the prompt injection protection models pretty limited, but get good results from gpt-oss-safeguard with a policy describing various prompt injection techniques. More expensive but more flexible and reliable and I only run it on web fetch and web search results. Costs me like 5-20 cents a day depending on what I'm working on.
Yeah you should run an LLM proxy, but imagine a world where LiteLLM and all the other LLM shovels weren't buggy vibecoded messes. And with the velocity of updates I feel there has to be vulnerabilities there. Or am I just holding it wrong? Anyone got a good alternative?
Bifrost has been decent, despite being partially shareware
Imagine complaining about “buggy vibecoded messes” that you want to use to produce your own buggy vibe coded mess.
This general phenomenon is not new, but it has been so obvious during 2026. Everyone want to consume everyone else hard work, to create their own slop. Just pure egoism.
Want to shamelessly self promote my self hosted proxy, supports subs and API usage.
Primaily designed as a local LLM ops project, but will definitely do proxying for claude-code, opencode, codex, etc
https://llama-dash.dev
I agree its so important to proxy and capture all the data. I've been very happy with bifrost as a proxy. It's a quality piece of software, unlike LiteLLM. You also get this one interface to access all your models, across all services, including self-hosted, STT models, everything. There are ways to use subscriptions with proxies too, but they are discouraged because of grey-hat uses..
prob a noob question; but what kind of data are people looking to get to help with what kind of decisions with these tools?
i can see some IT/infra team using these tools to manage their LLM costs, but this blog post seems to hint at some kind of product decision making? what am i missing here?
https://github.com/gumieri/nenya
my own ai gateway/proxy
This is the best one I found https://github.com/kenn-io/agentsview
It is a not proxy. It can clearly show whats going on across all agents. The proxy's are generally inconvenient and yet another point of failure. I think the author got to the resort option quickly
OpenRouter does all this for you. It's pretty nice. Although for apps I use another server to lock down the requests even more and prevent the client from seeing my API key.
I don't do this but I do have a system that imports all my conversations with AI (claude code, chatgpt, claude app, etc.) to a storage system I call Chatacombs: a unified storage of most conversations I've had with AI, as detailed as I can easily get.
“Chatacombs” is a fantastic name.
I like the content but I have to say the Mark Manson writing style is off putting.
Some don't need to. Not yet anyway. There's config, there's control, and then there's setup-theatre as a hobby.
Seeing some good stuff in the comments, but how are people doing this?
I am not, but I can tell you how:
homelab running liteLLM or gomodel
Well that was one of the reasons why i build my own agent/harness - to have actual full observability of what it is doing and why it is doing what it is doing.
Don't really understand why other agents to give those insights but well found my solution.
By running my own agent harness that provides detailed API metrics in the GUI and logs very verbosely.
All that posturing for the purpose to be manually monitoring cache hits and misses. This can't be serious. Buy a larger plan or reduce some instructions and you don't have to deal with this waste of time.
What is the use case for these sorts of things?
Why not just grab it from the kernel?
Because the details we care about right now already travelling over the network and the industry is adopting OTEL, where you can export and collate kernel things if you need to
I am boggled how the first step of an llm after you make an orchestrator isn't some kind of proxy that records your personal internet surfing to be used by your personal AI later. Every college should be running in house AI with their own in house search engines and in house any service. Don't go to any college that wants you to use chatgpt or other corporate nonsense. If they can't make local LLMs work, they are not a real college.
> Own your infrastructure
...proceeds to use codex.
With just a 12gb VRAM GPU + 64gb of CPU RAM, and you can actually own your own infrastructure. I can't wait for hardware prices to fall so that becomes even more accessible.
Does anyone here use LiteLLM for this? How well does it do? Can I use it with my Claude subscription?
https://docs.litellm.ai/docs/tutorials/claude_code_max_subsc...
I use GoModel and its amazing. My favorite features are virtual model, the support for arbitrary request labels, and the nice dashboads / ui. Creator has more sophisticated report generation on the near term roadmap. He's super responsive to feedback and ships fast. (except for his recent trip to the US west coast to meet founders and investors, he's EU based)
You can use and control all.your subscriptions or aoikeys through a gateway like this, so you don't get pwned like what just happened with OpenCode (or an OpenRouter like vendor). GoModel has some ambitions like this, but is open source so you can run it on you own infra, with plans for self hosted enterprise as well (there are a few features already like SSO). We are rolling out the free version at work right now.
I run GoModel at home and have hyper detailed history of every agent interaction, across models running on my sparks and OpenCode sub. You can call me a committed superfan of this project.
https://github.com/ENTERPILOT/GOModel
Easy. I don’t use any of the AI shit.