Increasingly obvious and annoying, even to most normies, that Israel is nowadays the main obstacle not only to lasting peace in the middle east (and various other regions) but also a major menace to anyone valuing their right to (digital) privacy.
No, Israel is definitely the world leader in spying. They have a wonderful relationship with the American political class, enabling access to what the US has, and with asymmetry protecting Israelis over Americans, plus their own clandestine spying against influential Americans, and their operations all over the world. Their part among the players doesn't detract from grievances against Israel - it adds to it.
There are dozens of firms in NATO countries and especially the US that do this kind of signals intelligence and surveillance work. I see no evidence at all that the US IC uses Israel for any kind of cover; we have native firms enabling sigint at the highest levels. "Cover" only makes sense if you're using it exclusively, but most CNE enablement work in NATO is done by NATO firms.
> "Cover" only makes sense if you're using it exclusively, but most CNE enablement work in NATO is done by NATO firms.
Cover is behaving horribly out in the open and having half of US politicians run cover for you by demonizing your detractors as anti-Semitic. The US has been shielding them for decades, though not exclusively. That time is waning.
Israel stands alone in its cyber crime though. I'm not aware of any other country that has committed an act of mass terrorism by blowing up consumer devices.
Mossad director Yossi Cohen said that they have implemented 'manipulated equipment' across "virtually every potential theatre of operation," and “in all the countries that you can imagine".
Wow, well that's to be expected but also terrifying. Thank you for pointing this out, I actually just submitted it here as more people should see this.
In terms of number of people spied on to number of people involved in spying, sure. China and U.S. are probably the world leaders in spying; its just a smaller percentage of the economies of both
This is always the classic defense whenever Israel is discovered to be doing something nefarious. Used to deflect criticism. Do we have any evidence that other nations are doing this? If we did we did, then that other country would get criticized in the exact same way. They are not being held to a different standard.
An example would be Cambridge Analytica, they got more bad press for doing similarly evil things and they are not Israeli.
Yes other countries do things that are similar, like China. But China doesn't have a "special relationship" with the US like Israel does, they aren't our "greatest ally" like Israel is purported to be, and they don't have staff and representatives at the highest levels of the US government like Israel does.
I would rather eat a bug than debate Israel vs. NATO on HN (or anywhere else), but these threads about Israeli spyware firms are actively misleading about something HN generally covers (CNE and security). I don't care what you think about Israel. I do care that people genuinely believe that these kinds of things (ad-driven spyware feels like it's on the tame side of what we talk about) are somehow distinctive to Israel.
Mossad director Yossi Cohen said that they have implemented 'manipulated equipment' across "virtually every potential theatre of operation," and “in all the countries that you can imagine".
> aimed at Starlink users and that it was the No. 1 bidder on Starlink traffic in more than 100 countries, including several where Starlink itself was banned or restricted.
Some counter espionage program? Maybe spies use Starlink instead of radios these days.
Increasingly obvious and annoying, even to most normies, that Israel is nowadays the main obstacle not only to lasting peace in the middle east (and various other regions) but also a major menace to anyone valuing their right to (digital) privacy.
Basically every major industrialized country in the world has firms that do stuff like this, and worse.
No, Israel is definitely the world leader in spying. They have a wonderful relationship with the American political class, enabling access to what the US has, and with asymmetry protecting Israelis over Americans, plus their own clandestine spying against influential Americans, and their operations all over the world. Their part among the players doesn't detract from grievances against Israel - it adds to it.
There are dozens of firms in NATO countries and especially the US that do this kind of signals intelligence and surveillance work. I see no evidence at all that the US IC uses Israel for any kind of cover; we have native firms enabling sigint at the highest levels. "Cover" only makes sense if you're using it exclusively, but most CNE enablement work in NATO is done by NATO firms.
>There are dozens of firms in NATO countries and especially the US that do this kind of signals intelligence and surveillance work.
List them? I asked AI for a list of mercenary hacking firms and it turned up:
NSO Group (Israel)
Intellexa Consortium (a bunch of countries including Israel, and the founder is Israeli)
Candiru (Israel)
Paragon Solutions (Israel)
RCS Lab (Italy)
> "Cover" only makes sense if you're using it exclusively, but most CNE enablement work in NATO is done by NATO firms.
Cover is behaving horribly out in the open and having half of US politicians run cover for you by demonizing your detractors as anti-Semitic. The US has been shielding them for decades, though not exclusively. That time is waning.
> half
They own the careers of all but a tiny handful of US politicians
Israel stands alone in its cyber crime though. I'm not aware of any other country that has committed an act of mass terrorism by blowing up consumer devices.
Mossad director Yossi Cohen said that they have implemented 'manipulated equipment' across "virtually every potential theatre of operation," and “in all the countries that you can imagine".
https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/israel-news/2462875/
Wow, well that's to be expected but also terrifying. Thank you for pointing this out, I actually just submitted it here as more people should see this.
In terms of number of people spied on to number of people involved in spying, sure. China and U.S. are probably the world leaders in spying; its just a smaller percentage of the economies of both
This is always the classic defense whenever Israel is discovered to be doing something nefarious. Used to deflect criticism. Do we have any evidence that other nations are doing this? If we did we did, then that other country would get criticized in the exact same way. They are not being held to a different standard.
An example would be Cambridge Analytica, they got more bad press for doing similarly evil things and they are not Israeli.
Yes other countries do things that are similar, like China. But China doesn't have a "special relationship" with the US like Israel does, they aren't our "greatest ally" like Israel is purported to be, and they don't have staff and representatives at the highest levels of the US government like Israel does.
I would rather eat a bug than debate Israel vs. NATO on HN (or anywhere else), but these threads about Israeli spyware firms are actively misleading about something HN generally covers (CNE and security). I don't care what you think about Israel. I do care that people genuinely believe that these kinds of things (ad-driven spyware feels like it's on the tame side of what we talk about) are somehow distinctive to Israel.
Mossad director Yossi Cohen said that they have implemented 'manipulated equipment' across "virtually every potential theatre of operation," and “in all the countries that you can imagine".
https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/israel-news/2462875/
A lot more information here: https://citizenlab.ca/research/how-discover-tech-turned-targ...
Discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50101813
Weird sentence structure. It makes it sound like the company is accused of being Israeli.
> aimed at Starlink users and that it was the No. 1 bidder on Starlink traffic in more than 100 countries, including several where Starlink itself was banned or restricted.
Some counter espionage program? Maybe spies use Starlink instead of radios these days.
Why wouldn't they? We already know that militaries and governments use StarLink. I'll bet dissidents and terrorists use them as well.
I'm not offering my support of this, but it's just not a surprising state of affairs.