Hmm, situational awareness of the local wireless environment?
Even when working from a fixed desk, I appreciate alternating desk work with strolling-thinking, when the environment permits it. Now, with incoming HMDs capable of laptop-like angular resolution, I've been exploring what an all-day NYC wander-and-pause setup/build might look like. Mobile local computes are easier now than they've ever been. Perhaps a SFF PC with multiple snap on MCIO/quick-disconnect-water GPUs+radiators. But agentic power demands... strolling with rolling battery luggage? Eep.
So perhaps ultra-light instead, a cloud PC, and always-on mobile networking to it? Multiplexing multiple cellular providers, and wifi? Perhaps with panel and cantennas. And... situational awareness of the local wireless environment?
To get "for a better signal, I should walk along here rather than there"? Accumulating a personal neighborhood heat map? Or maybe "neat, in this weather, a cantenna gets library community wifi from across the river"? Or ...?
Wireless environment awareness has long seemed to me a fun concept, but with unclear use cases. It just now occurred to me this might be one? If not the Flipper One necessarily, something...
“Multi-WAN network toolkit — connect up to 5 uplinks. Configure dynamic routing, failover, load balancing, and firewall rules. Use it simultaneously as a Wi‑Fi hotspot and client. Tunnel traffic through a VPN and multiple gateways.
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I haven’t been able to find an off the shelf device that provides this. I travel a fair bit and when sitting in an airport mobile hotspotting is often unusably slow. If I can use this to securely connect to public unencrypted wifi, it will make travelling that little bit easier
I'm curious has anyone tried hooking up abliterated large language models to systems like this for physical pen-testing? I know there has been lots of hype lately on the capabilities of large language models at finding and exploiting bugs in online software. I know very little about physical pen-testing but would large language models also open up vulnerabilities in the kinds of things this interfaces with or do digital door locks and such have higher levels of security?
I think you're overcomplicating things a little bit. A better example of this would be like what I did recently, where I needed to change some non-user-accessible values on a device, could not get ahold of the firmware, and the spec sheets were all behind NDA walls. Instead, I opened it up and read the flash directly, thankfully it was unencrypted, and let deepseek pick it apart and give me a script to fuck with various values including the one I wanted to edit.
Basically like using a gameshark/game genie with extra steps.
I don't know about security devices specifically, but I have semi-successfully reverse engineered some abandoned IoT devices by giving DeepSeek and Claude access to a USB flash writer, logic analyzer and power relay for the devices.
I imagine they could be used to do physical pen testing just as easily. From my experience with digital door locks, their level of security is on average, somewhere between a piece of tape and a $5 padlock.
I have one collecting dust that I stopped using years ago just because I got bored with it so if you wanna work together, I’m happy to. I’d love to see it get more use.
I think the new one might be better as you can run an agent or server on it and get llm to use it. With the old one you had to push buttons as I understand it?
I already nabbed my coupon for the pre-order last week - looks super cool!
My F0 is always close at hand, doing everything from being my go-to trigger for whatever random thing I'm playing with, to being an instant output for any signal I'm trying to read. Plus it's a really fun educational tool for myself and various kids around - I keep a load of little NFC 216 tags around, in my bag, in a pouch attached to my Mac, and showing both young and old how to use them, and read them with the phone, leads to conversations about treasure hunts, hiding them in the pub, showing counters with amusing messages...
We used it as a metronome the other day with its blue light, and on the flip side I've been looking at ways to integrate it into my EDC as a modern key, or a programmable keyring. It isn't super-secure, but that does make it easier to work with.
I'm excited about the F1, mainly curious about its logic analyzer capabilities, since I'm actually designing and building one - even it is fifty times worse than a commercial one, I just want to know how they work. And these little devices help find out how other things work.
I wish they would sell more replacement parts for the old ones. Like the main board or the sub boards.
I have broken mine twice from daily pocket use in wet environments and I don't feel like scrounging parts anymore.
Just last week I was trying to sell my Flipper Zero as I don't use it. Even though it's legal, my listings have been deleted as the platforms are overzealous as it "might be used for hacking".
Well, if anyone is looking for one in Europe, let me know.
Is this going to also be at some nose-bleed sky-high ransom price like everything else computer these days?
What are we looking at? $400? $500?
Just as a reminder, last year, as in 2025, a raspberry pi with 8gb was $89... so please don't tell me that paying $400 or $500 for this is normal and expected.
I still stand by it. I'm not buying anything at these extortionist cartel prices. Not a single $500 usb thumb drive or $1500 ram or $2000 platter and certainly not at $400 thing that would have cost $100 last year.
Until the Kickstarter starts, which is planned for November. At which point you can redeem the coupon and back the Kickstarter and get it at a “special price” which is estimated to be $379 (might change up or down). Presumably this is lower than the Kickstarter price itself without the reservation coupon. A bit of a convoluted system, but you can get your $20 back anytime, and it automatically refunds if you don’t back the Kickstarter or the Kickstarter never launches, so that’s cool.
> This new one is… yeah not sure. More of the same?
Not even. It's an ARM SBC in a weird case. The F0 was interesting because it had a bunch of oddball radio/IO peripherals; F1 doesn't seem to have anything comparable.
While I do agree it was/is weird, and it was/is hard to qualify, toy isn't the word I'd reach for. I find myself using it for some odd task once every few months. Cloning a keycard, temporarily standing in for a broken remote, etc. I'm glad I have it, but I was given it for free and I wouldn't pay for it.
Flipper Zero is for the physical layer: radio, RFID, IR, etc... It is based on a small microcontroller and is mostly "bare metal", think Arduino, ESP32,...
Flipper One is for the network layer: Ethernet, Wi-Fi, 5G, etc... It is a "real computer" running Linux, like a Raspberry Pi.
Yeah, they should have included a comparison on the Kickstart page. If you check out the "we need your help" page, that has a chart with "Zero vs One":
flipper zero is just a small device with an SMT32 MCU,
flipper one is a whole bloody linux computer, with an rp2350
I suppose the idea is it combines workflows you'd use a flipper zero + pc for into one device.
Neat in idea, im not certain who it's truly for in practice. A flipper zero 2 with wifi built in and some minor improvements would have been much more welcome in my eyes.
I used it instead if needing to have a pocketful of access keys and garage/gate remotes. Also the remote control was great for random AC units or muting the sound on the airport lounge newsmax horror television.
but it broke too much and I found a better solution
Sorry...for the keys I got a very small chameleon ultra, fits on a keyring, the pocket toy has been replaced with a M5 cardputer which is better at being a real tool than flipper as it has all the sensor options.
The flipper was still a very nice thing to put in the pocket for along time for sure
It’s got M.2 and GPIO. This is exactly what you just asked for, but for some reason you saw a picture of it plugged into a monitor and declared it nothing more than a mini PC.
I'm mostly a NFC, RFID and SubGHZ guy so out of the box it does nothing useful for me without having to add external modules, my Zero on the other hand works great by itself except for once in a while plugging in the WiFi add-on board to debug some custom apps I've written for it.
Also, this feels.. redundant, i already have those in my laptop, unlike flipper zero, it was about radio, rfid, nfc, ir, among others with great battery life. Right now my laptop i had it customized with modular 5g modem, SDR, meshcore, alfa, among others.
Absolutely a thing. I’ve got documentation that says I work in ITSEC but I’ve never been stopped with mine. However I don’t travel to BRIC-aligned countries for the most part so YMMV.
I tend to wipe mine before international travel and just stick on IR remote stuff, juuuust in case someone wants to ask a lot of questions. It’s easy enough to restore the back up I take beforehand.
I've traveled multiple times to the B in bric with mine without issue but that might have been before it got famous. Seems like Anatel confirmed they don't consider it homologated, and thus, technically illegal to import/sell there. Chances are it gets in but not out.
The flipper one is closer to a Raspberry pi, if the LoRa and Wifi are in homologated modules it would be perfectly legal to carry around. If not, it would be on the same rule of the zero and illegal.
Flipper was born in Moscow from a collab mostly made of Russians and Ukrainians. They were pretty outspoken against the attack on Ukraine and have moved headqurters and almost completely relocated their employees since then.
Hmm, situational awareness of the local wireless environment?
Even when working from a fixed desk, I appreciate alternating desk work with strolling-thinking, when the environment permits it. Now, with incoming HMDs capable of laptop-like angular resolution, I've been exploring what an all-day NYC wander-and-pause setup/build might look like. Mobile local computes are easier now than they've ever been. Perhaps a SFF PC with multiple snap on MCIO/quick-disconnect-water GPUs+radiators. But agentic power demands... strolling with rolling battery luggage? Eep.
So perhaps ultra-light instead, a cloud PC, and always-on mobile networking to it? Multiplexing multiple cellular providers, and wifi? Perhaps with panel and cantennas. And... situational awareness of the local wireless environment?
To get "for a better signal, I should walk along here rather than there"? Accumulating a personal neighborhood heat map? Or maybe "neat, in this weather, a cantenna gets library community wifi from across the river"? Or ...?
Wireless environment awareness has long seemed to me a fun concept, but with unclear use cases. It just now occurred to me this might be one? If not the Flipper One necessarily, something...
This is the part that sold me:
“Multi-WAN network toolkit — connect up to 5 uplinks. Configure dynamic routing, failover, load balancing, and firewall rules. Use it simultaneously as a Wi‑Fi hotspot and client. Tunnel traffic through a VPN and multiple gateways. ”
I haven’t been able to find an off the shelf device that provides this. I travel a fair bit and when sitting in an airport mobile hotspotting is often unusably slow. If I can use this to securely connect to public unencrypted wifi, it will make travelling that little bit easier
I'm curious has anyone tried hooking up abliterated large language models to systems like this for physical pen-testing? I know there has been lots of hype lately on the capabilities of large language models at finding and exploiting bugs in online software. I know very little about physical pen-testing but would large language models also open up vulnerabilities in the kinds of things this interfaces with or do digital door locks and such have higher levels of security?
Kind of similar: https://github.com/jayofelony/pwnagotchi
I think you're overcomplicating things a little bit. A better example of this would be like what I did recently, where I needed to change some non-user-accessible values on a device, could not get ahold of the firmware, and the spec sheets were all behind NDA walls. Instead, I opened it up and read the flash directly, thankfully it was unencrypted, and let deepseek pick it apart and give me a script to fuck with various values including the one I wanted to edit.
Basically like using a gameshark/game genie with extra steps.
I pretty thoroughly reverse engineered the unitree Go2 robot dog with a benchtop mobo from a scrapped bot, a USB-TTL convertor, and Opus 4.6
Used the findings to release a jailbreak so you can program the cheap consumer version ($1.6k) as though it were the expensive research version ($15k)
Very fun exercise
https://github.com/a-bissell/UnLeash-Lite
I don't know about security devices specifically, but I have semi-successfully reverse engineered some abandoned IoT devices by giving DeepSeek and Claude access to a USB flash writer, logic analyzer and power relay for the devices.
I imagine they could be used to do physical pen testing just as easily. From my experience with digital door locks, their level of security is on average, somewhere between a piece of tape and a $5 padlock.
Lmfao, I am tempted to play with that. Did you write up any of those or all just random one-offs?
great idea, thank you for this
I have one collecting dust that I stopped using years ago just because I got bored with it so if you wanna work together, I’m happy to. I’d love to see it get more use.
I think the new one might be better as you can run an agent or server on it and get llm to use it. With the old one you had to push buttons as I understand it?
I was just researching and it appears you can communicate with the Zero over usb serial.
I already nabbed my coupon for the pre-order last week - looks super cool!
My F0 is always close at hand, doing everything from being my go-to trigger for whatever random thing I'm playing with, to being an instant output for any signal I'm trying to read. Plus it's a really fun educational tool for myself and various kids around - I keep a load of little NFC 216 tags around, in my bag, in a pouch attached to my Mac, and showing both young and old how to use them, and read them with the phone, leads to conversations about treasure hunts, hiding them in the pub, showing counters with amusing messages...
We used it as a metronome the other day with its blue light, and on the flip side I've been looking at ways to integrate it into my EDC as a modern key, or a programmable keyring. It isn't super-secure, but that does make it easier to work with.
I'm excited about the F1, mainly curious about its logic analyzer capabilities, since I'm actually designing and building one - even it is fifty times worse than a commercial one, I just want to know how they work. And these little devices help find out how other things work.
I really like my zero, I don't use it daily, nor would I want to.
But when I do actually need it, for doing something like reading/flashing SPI, I'm very happy I have it.
Related - others?
Flipper One – we need your help - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48220647 - May 2026 (482 comments)
Flipper One Tech Specs - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48212046 - May 2026 (177 comments)
I wish they would sell more replacement parts for the old ones. Like the main board or the sub boards. I have broken mine twice from daily pocket use in wet environments and I don't feel like scrounging parts anymore.
The High Boy is a similar device that seems to incorporate radio and network, but I think it has a few less features?
https://highboy.com.br/
Just last week I was trying to sell my Flipper Zero as I don't use it. Even though it's legal, my listings have been deleted as the platforms are overzealous as it "might be used for hacking".
Well, if anyone is looking for one in Europe, let me know.
That’s pretty cool you can dock it to full-fat Linux it looks like?
It's ordinary linux inside. You can connect it to any display with USB-C cable.
Is this going to also be at some nose-bleed sky-high ransom price like everything else computer these days?
What are we looking at? $400? $500?
Just as a reminder, last year, as in 2025, a raspberry pi with 8gb was $89... so please don't tell me that paying $400 or $500 for this is normal and expected.
$379 + $20 for the preorder coupon
Does your browser not handle <a> tags or something? The preorder site says $379 multiple times, all over the place.
this was the original link: https://docs.flipper.net/one also the new link doesn't have $ on it's body anywhere or the text "37" yet alone "$379"
this one does https://flipper.net/products/flipper-one-preorder
I still stand by it. I'm not buying anything at these extortionist cartel prices. Not a single $500 usb thumb drive or $1500 ram or $2000 platter and certainly not at $400 thing that would have cost $100 last year.
If only there was some kind of website that talked about the product, linked here on HN.
I guess we’ll just never know.
Genuine question, how do you get through the day?
How long is the pre-order window? I didn't see that on the site, but might have missed it.
Until the Kickstarter starts, which is planned for November. At which point you can redeem the coupon and back the Kickstarter and get it at a “special price” which is estimated to be $379 (might change up or down). Presumably this is lower than the Kickstarter price itself without the reservation coupon. A bit of a convoluted system, but you can get your $20 back anytime, and it automatically refunds if you don’t back the Kickstarter or the Kickstarter never launches, so that’s cool.
i have my og flipper gathering dust :tears:
Dust it off! It was a weird device, mostly a toy? This new one is… yeah not sure. More of the same?
> This new one is… yeah not sure. More of the same?
Not even. It's an ARM SBC in a weird case. The F0 was interesting because it had a bunch of oddball radio/IO peripherals; F1 doesn't seem to have anything comparable.
> It was a weird device, mostly a toy?
While I do agree it was/is weird, and it was/is hard to qualify, toy isn't the word I'd reach for. I find myself using it for some odd task once every few months. Cloning a keycard, temporarily standing in for a broken remote, etc. I'm glad I have it, but I was given it for free and I wouldn't pay for it.
same, I assumed it would have full support for nfc which is the protocol I care most about and ordered via kickstarter
only to find out nfc-b would never come
meh
I read the page but not being an expert on Flipper I am not confident I can tell the difference from the Flipper Zero.
It is a completely different device.
Flipper Zero is for the physical layer: radio, RFID, IR, etc... It is based on a small microcontroller and is mostly "bare metal", think Arduino, ESP32,...
Flipper One is for the network layer: Ethernet, Wi-Fi, 5G, etc... It is a "real computer" running Linux, like a Raspberry Pi.
Yeah, they should have included a comparison on the Kickstart page. If you check out the "we need your help" page, that has a chart with "Zero vs One":
https://blog.flipper.net/flipper-one-we-need-your-help/
The two devices are complementary.
flipper zero is just a small device with an SMT32 MCU, flipper one is a whole bloody linux computer, with an rp2350
I suppose the idea is it combines workflows you'd use a flipper zero + pc for into one device. Neat in idea, im not certain who it's truly for in practice. A flipper zero 2 with wifi built in and some minor improvements would have been much more welcome in my eyes.
I used it instead if needing to have a pocketful of access keys and garage/gate remotes. Also the remote control was great for random AC units or muting the sound on the airport lounge newsmax horror television.
but it broke too much and I found a better solution
Don't leave us hanging! What's the better solution for you?
Sorry...for the keys I got a very small chameleon ultra, fits on a keyring, the pocket toy has been replaced with a M5 cardputer which is better at being a real tool than flipper as it has all the sensor options.
The flipper was still a very nice thing to put in the pocket for along time for sure
The wifi board works fine with the zero, integrating it into the device is a pain in the ass, far from a 'minor' improvement.
Zero does mostly "radio" stuff (RFID, subghz, etc). One does mostly "network" stuff (wifi, 5g, etc).
Sigh, all I wanted was a Zero successor with a more powerful MCU to mess around with, this seems more like a mini PC of sorts.
It’s got M.2 and GPIO. This is exactly what you just asked for, but for some reason you saw a picture of it plugged into a monitor and declared it nothing more than a mini PC.
I'm mostly a NFC, RFID and SubGHZ guy so out of the box it does nothing useful for me without having to add external modules, my Zero on the other hand works great by itself except for once in a while plugging in the WiFi add-on board to debug some custom apps I've written for it.
Maybe this should be the link: https://flipper.net/products/flipper-one-preorder
Battery life?!
Also, this feels.. redundant, i already have those in my laptop, unlike flipper zero, it was about radio, rfid, nfc, ir, among others with great battery life. Right now my laptop i had it customized with modular 5g modem, SDR, meshcore, alfa, among others.
My only concern with ordering a Flipper One is import controls. I've heard of Zeros getting seized in customs.
Absolutely a thing. I’ve got documentation that says I work in ITSEC but I’ve never been stopped with mine. However I don’t travel to BRIC-aligned countries for the most part so YMMV.
I tend to wipe mine before international travel and just stick on IR remote stuff, juuuust in case someone wants to ask a lot of questions. It’s easy enough to restore the back up I take beforehand.
I've traveled multiple times to the B in bric with mine without issue but that might have been before it got famous. Seems like Anatel confirmed they don't consider it homologated, and thus, technically illegal to import/sell there. Chances are it gets in but not out.
The flipper one is closer to a Raspberry pi, if the LoRa and Wifi are in homologated modules it would be perfectly legal to carry around. If not, it would be on the same rule of the zero and illegal.
what are their connection with Russian Federation ? all their job ads asked for russian iirc.
Flipper was born in Moscow from a collab mostly made of Russians and Ukrainians. They were pretty outspoken against the attack on Ukraine and have moved headqurters and almost completely relocated their employees since then.
The original developers are from Russia. They now seem to have an office in London
Is it wise to buy this until someone has taken one apart and checked for backdoors?
What kind of backdoor would you expect in such a device?