I implemented x402 across a very heavily crawled site and have yet to see any transactions go through. Possibly it's not working, but I haven't seen any yet. Reading the x402 reddit you see other similar comments. People joking that the only people putting money into x402 are the people testing to see if x402 works.
I do want it to work, so just curious does anyone have any positive anecdotes? Can this naturally get picked up by crawlers?
Never heard of a use case. But wild speculation is fun - it seems very unlikely that crawlers will be the first one.
- The per-API-call return probably needs to be fairly high with obvious value to justify paying for something. Downloading a .tar.gz of the site, rather than a crawler.
- The world seems to be reforming political blocks, so it'll likely be a cross-bloc transaction where the two sides don't have a fiat transfer system available for use.
- Probably something that is politically sensitive in the customer's bloc.
So my guess would be that the first use case will be some illegal service that could have been implemented with an AWS Lambda, probably hosted somewhere questionable (Russia a candidate). Probably branching out into politically sensitive topics.
> People joking that the only people putting money into x402 are the people testing to see if x402 works.
It'll be that way until suddenly it works for someone, like how bitcoin was a joke up until some tipping point where the financiers started moving in. It'll take a big kick initially to convince people figuring out crypto is worth it just for the sake of making a web trade.
I believe having Ai agents using credit-based Saas without needing a subscription with each of those Saas individually (just access to a wallet with some allotment) is the overall compelling use case.
As a buyer it’s very handy for handling agent web search tool calls, because it require no login, account management, etc. I’ve got all my local agents set up this way currently.
I think it will boil down to find out how many people out there are not willing to trust their agent with their credit card but are willing to give it a prepaid debit card - which effectively it's what Coinbase is providing, but dressing it as cryptocurrency.
It also means that if this starts getting any traction, then we could expect to start a nice bump in prepaid debit card adoption.
Arguably it is too late, industrial scale piracy of user input demands a hapless data-entry caste. Even with the new content origin obfuscation attempts, watermarking, and 3rd world human content moderators.
No one is willingly going to tack on a variable cost to their business revenue model. At best, the crawlers/users will simply skip your hosts, or operate in places where gleaning data is still perfectly legal. =3
$5 for 1000 searches. A lot of basic ChatGPT sessions can easily do 30 web searches , which would already cost $0.15 .
This brings up an interesting concern: providing search obviously isn't free. It has been financed through ads thus far. What happens when the majority of searches are done by agents?
Kagi's API is $12 for 1000 searches. But from "human using a search engine" experience, their results are way better than Brave.
Exa is $4 for 1000 searches.
If you want Google results, SerpApi gives 5000 searches for $75. They are not pay-as-you-go, and more searches give you better pricing. Probably if you're setting this up for your whole company you can get a pretty good deal.
> If you want Google results, SerpApi gives 5000 searches for $75. They are not pay-as-you-go, and more searches give you better pricing. Probably if you're setting this up for your whole company you can get a pretty good deal.
Oh wow that's quite expensive, when I tried to create a similar API to resell google search results I was able to sell 15k requests with $34(and this was the lowest plan with the most expensive price for 1k), with a profit margin of about 70-80%, that was about 2 years ago tho, so maybe now it's much harder, but the price still seems insane. Unfortunately didn't got much traction and I stopped working on it after a few months, since it required a lot of maintenance.
Kagi is proxying to Google (through SerpApi), Bing and Yandex among others so they have actually high costs. I think the thing they're wondering above is how much it actually costs to process a search without the adversarial relationship with the search company.
Anyone [any hackers here perhaps] doing straight anonymous reselling of SerpApi Google searches, maybe $10 at a time? Like Kagi but minus most of the infra and team.
Also SerpApi results just as good as Google? Sometimes Google still beats Kagi (maybe I’m search bubbled despite light anonymity measures).
I’m building dowse.dev, which queries several search engines and reranks the combined results for AI agents. Which types of queries have you found Kagi handles better than Brave? Would be interesting to try the same searches on Dowse.
Somehow I convinced my colleague to finally try Perplexity, once dared - there’s no turning back. Brave is not something I’ll ever consider seriously given its crypto history and all.
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Are we going to see all search engines adopting this model? Will this be the future of search engine revenue? May end up more pro-consumer than ads and tracking.
This is not true. The psychology of positive and negative events suggests that to optimize your happiness, you should "lump" negative things and "split" positive things.
People do this intuitively with payments (negative). They'll buy a timeshare or a boat (expensive, "lump" cost) when it would be much cheaper on net to stay at resorts or rent a boat and pay by usage.
They'll pay for subscriptions (automatic payments) rather than pay per experience. Many people will pay $20/mo for Netflix, watch it twice a month, but would never rent movies for $3 on Amazon.
They'll pay a big premium for "unlimited" data plans when this actually makes little sense for anyone vs. paying by usage.
IMO micropayments should be so small that people don’t even account for them in expenses. It costs almost nothing for a website to serve a single request, hosting costs almost nothing.
There’s no reason a big host can’t be 100% free, entirely relying on user payments for requests to pay for electricity and new servers (where each request is almost free), a few engineers and security guards to physically install, maintain, and monitor the servers (funded by excess or donations).
It’s the difference between filling up your tank and having to approve every mile to me. A fund I top up and costs go to 0 when I’m not using it is attractive, much more so than a fixed charge and subscription.
Yet everybody relying on infrastructure, like electricity, water, gas, etc, is familiar with a meter, paying upfront based on an estimation of consumption, then getting money back.
One could easily imagine that, or that your AI provider, being ChatGPT, Anthropic or Cursor or even neo clouds where you run your own compute on, provide a weekly or monthly aggregated payment not just for computes but for paid traffic. They have the balance sheet (sigh) to front it.
You'd pay $20 for compute and $8.7896813 for traffic or you'd have a "budget" of $10 of traffic included in your $30 bundle.
I think customers would accept that if explain that otherwise their queries wouldn't be as nice and also that the providers of content would get a share.
anyone using an llm is hard stuck in token micropayments regardless, i doubt one more will make a significant difference to them if it is integrated into pricing well enough
I just updated my Brave browser on mobile, and it now replaces Google Search with Brave Search by default. Initially, I wanted to switch it back to Google Search, but finding the relevant setting was such a hassle that I was too lazy to bother. So, I just kept using Brave Search for my daily tasks. Surprisingly, the search results aren't that bad. At this point, I might have permanently switched from Google Search to Brave Search.
Why though? If you own a company, you delegate purchasing to human employees, too. And sometimes they buy crap and make poor decisions. It comes with the risk, and you mitigate by budgeting. You will have to asses your employees for competence, same as you do with agents. You don't give a new and unknown employee a big budget, while your trusted ones slowly get more and more control.
This is what everybody gets wrong: Agents aren't bad or evil. Nor crazy. They don't steal. They pretty much work (after some setup and periods of supervision) as expected. And yes, sometimes they might be wrong and spend more. Same as the human. From a business standpoint it is just risk/reward structure.
True and calculations are changing inside large corps that run BPOs. You just don't see the news on HN, cause HN hardly surfaces what is happening inside Enterprise Software stacks.
Same, it is built on the USDC stable coin and if crypto has taught me anything it is that it is that people do not trust it (ironically). Companies like Circle do absolutely nothing to protect their users while banks etc have mechanisms by which a user has a path to recourse.
Granted this is for micropayments and each search will most likely cost pennies but it still means loading up some real money into a digital wallet which an agent will blindly (and most likely very inefficiently) spend at its own discretion.
Stablecoin providers also have a long history of freezing funds. Imagine you're Kagi and Google sues you for scraping them. It's likely they'll get an injunction to freeze your USDC account and any ones linked to it.
"The easiest path to query via x402 is to install Purl Wallet, a Stripe-developed CLI wallet for your agent. Set up your wallet, top it off using Base-native USDC, and start querying today."
for 99% of people the first thing they need to do is to understand x402, Purl Wallet, Stripe-developed CLI wallet and base-native USDC.
Funny how crypto tries to snake itself back into our ecosystem again and is still as shitty as it was bfore.
This may be the least stupid use of the block chain I've ever heard of.
Mind you Visa could have implemented this when everyone first asked back in 1999, but hey here we are. Rather than micro payments instead we let ads do their best to ruin western civilization.
If need to use an API, needs to do: user creation, top-up some money, create a token, store the token somewhere, pass it to the agent... and later renew the token...
With a blockchain, no need for all of that. And you can only pay for few cents, no need to top-up a full 5$ min for each services. If you have dozens of services that you need to reach, the benefits start to be interesting.
That all happens in Lightning Network too, it's just called different things. You need to create a channel (create an account, create a token) locking up a certain amount of money (topping it up), and obviously you need to store the credentials for the channel (store the token), and renew it (renew the token) or close it (refund unused credits) every week - that means opening the app at least once a week or you lose your money - otherwise your partner gets all the locked-up money.
You need micropayments. Banks and creditcards don't do those (and the WebPayments W3C API proposal failed due to that) because there is not much money to make in micropayments. It is not feasible to answer customer service calls for $0.0005 charges, or issue bank statements and follow regulations for transfers in the sub-cent area. That is why they charge minimum fees for each transaction, i.e. $0.30 per transaction.
If I understand the regulations in the US correctly, don't micropayments, implemented like this, just create absurd reporting requirements for the parties involved, instead of the facilitator of the transaction?
Unless I'm confused, it seems like for a US taxpayer, this mechanism would require that their federal income tax return include, either on an 8949 or an attached statement, an itemized list of every single transaction they made for every single search over an entire year.
Yes. I run a website, I don't have customer service. I could put it behind a x402 page with my ToS, meaning you see nothing until you pay me - and once paid, it is irreversible. No need for customer service. You can sue me through legal proceedings but if I win, you pay my legal fees.
So I'm sympathetic to the notion that these rules are overbearing for small merchants. Particularly hobbyists. I'm totally unconvinced Brave is dodging any regulation by offering through crypto, other than by selecting for customers who may not want to interact with a legal system.
> You can sue me through legal proceedings but if I win, you pay my legal fees
That's simply not true in at least two jurisdictions I touch, which would have venue for my consumer purchases. (If you never visit the United States or EU, on the other hand, this probably wouldn't practically affect you.)
Well if the legal proceedings are unjust, you pay all the fees. Else everybody could sue me all the time. I run a website, and I have a ToS you (or your agent) has to accept before payment. No need to provide customer service - and lets face it, you are not going to sue for $0.0005 anyway.
> if the legal proceedings are unjust, you pay all the fees
ToS don’t overrule law.
> lets face it, you are not going to sue for $0.0005 anyway
Very true. Though if I felt cheated by someone, regardless of the cost, I’d absolutely be open to starting a regulatory shitstorm. (Not saying you would cause that among anyone paying you.)
nobody wants paid impressions to hit agents, and agents certainly aren’t going to convert, so this model makes perfect sense. once humans realize they too can have the premium experience the agents are getting it will be the end of adtech!
Monero has slow confirmation times. It requires a 0-conf to be able to do micropayments. Most wallets also require a full 10 confirmations before you can use your balance.
The part I keep coming back to isn't the payment rail, it's what happens before the payment. At $0.005 a search the unit price looks trivial, but the agents I've run don't search once — they re-search the same question with slightly different phrasing when the first results don't quite fit, and each retry is a fresh paid call. Removing the API key also removes the one place I used to see that happening, the monthly bill.
So the missing piece for me isn't 402 itself, it's a budget envelope around it: a per-task cap, client-side dedup/caching of near-identical queries, and a receipt ledger I can audit after the run. Without that, making payment frictionless mostly makes runaway spend frictionless too. Does Brave's proxy do any dedup or idempotency for repeated identical queries, or is that entirely left to the harness?
I implemented x402 across a very heavily crawled site and have yet to see any transactions go through. Possibly it's not working, but I haven't seen any yet. Reading the x402 reddit you see other similar comments. People joking that the only people putting money into x402 are the people testing to see if x402 works.
I do want it to work, so just curious does anyone have any positive anecdotes? Can this naturally get picked up by crawlers?
Its a technical solution to a non existing problem.
99% of the big companies provide a standardized known way of paying stuff everyone is used to use.
Its a credit card.
Whatever happens somehow in the background, no one cares.
Never heard of a use case. But wild speculation is fun - it seems very unlikely that crawlers will be the first one.
- The per-API-call return probably needs to be fairly high with obvious value to justify paying for something. Downloading a .tar.gz of the site, rather than a crawler.
- The world seems to be reforming political blocks, so it'll likely be a cross-bloc transaction where the two sides don't have a fiat transfer system available for use.
- Probably something that is politically sensitive in the customer's bloc.
So my guess would be that the first use case will be some illegal service that could have been implemented with an AWS Lambda, probably hosted somewhere questionable (Russia a candidate). Probably branching out into politically sensitive topics.
> People joking that the only people putting money into x402 are the people testing to see if x402 works.
It'll be that way until suddenly it works for someone, like how bitcoin was a joke up until some tipping point where the financiers started moving in. It'll take a big kick initially to convince people figuring out crypto is worth it just for the sake of making a web trade.
AI crwalerd are already paying shady residential botnets for access. Using x402 would just move the money the right people instead .
I believe having Ai agents using credit-based Saas without needing a subscription with each of those Saas individually (just access to a wallet with some allotment) is the overall compelling use case.
As a buyer it’s very handy for handling agent web search tool calls, because it require no login, account management, etc. I’ve got all my local agents set up this way currently.
I think it will boil down to find out how many people out there are not willing to trust their agent with their credit card but are willing to give it a prepaid debit card - which effectively it's what Coinbase is providing, but dressing it as cryptocurrency.
It also means that if this starts getting any traction, then we could expect to start a nice bump in prepaid debit card adoption.
They tried it before with BAT. I ended up getting a few cents on a website with 1M unique/month.
Nah, they don't want you to earn anything. End of story.
Arguably it is too late, industrial scale piracy of user input demands a hapless data-entry caste. Even with the new content origin obfuscation attempts, watermarking, and 3rd world human content moderators.
No one is willingly going to tack on a variable cost to their business revenue model. At best, the crawlers/users will simply skip your hosts, or operate in places where gleaning data is still perfectly legal. =3
I want to congratulate the ladies and gents who worked on defining the HTTP protocol, for their foresight of including the 402 response.
Would love to hear their thoughts and visions of what the web could be at the time.
Not one single person who worked on defining the HTTP protocol was a lady.
We can thank Lisa Dusseault for the PATCH method though (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc5789/)
That's not very lady-like of her.
This seems quite expensive.
$5 for 1000 searches. A lot of basic ChatGPT sessions can easily do 30 web searches , which would already cost $0.15 .
This brings up an interesting concern: providing search obviously isn't free. It has been financed through ads thus far. What happens when the majority of searches are done by agents?
Kagi's API is $12 for 1000 searches. But from "human using a search engine" experience, their results are way better than Brave.
Exa is $4 for 1000 searches.
If you want Google results, SerpApi gives 5000 searches for $75. They are not pay-as-you-go, and more searches give you better pricing. Probably if you're setting this up for your whole company you can get a pretty good deal.
> If you want Google results, SerpApi gives 5000 searches for $75. They are not pay-as-you-go, and more searches give you better pricing. Probably if you're setting this up for your whole company you can get a pretty good deal.
Oh wow that's quite expensive, when I tried to create a similar API to resell google search results I was able to sell 15k requests with $34(and this was the lowest plan with the most expensive price for 1k), with a profit margin of about 70-80%, that was about 2 years ago tho, so maybe now it's much harder, but the price still seems insane. Unfortunately didn't got much traction and I stopped working on it after a few months, since it required a lot of maintenance.
Kagi is proxying to Google (through SerpApi), Bing and Yandex among others so they have actually high costs. I think the thing they're wondering above is how much it actually costs to process a search without the adversarial relationship with the search company.
Anyone [any hackers here perhaps] doing straight anonymous reselling of SerpApi Google searches, maybe $10 at a time? Like Kagi but minus most of the infra and team.
Also SerpApi results just as good as Google? Sometimes Google still beats Kagi (maybe I’m search bubbled despite light anonymity measures).
SerpApi is just an API to Google. Kagi does more stuff than just scraping Google via SerpApi, but they do scrape Google via SerpApi.
I’m building dowse.dev, which queries several search engines and reranks the combined results for AI agents. Which types of queries have you found Kagi handles better than Brave? Would be interesting to try the same searches on Dowse.
Somehow I convinced my colleague to finally try Perplexity, once dared - there’s no turning back. Brave is not something I’ll ever consider seriously given its crypto history and all.
I was told that Gemini Flash Lite models are the best search APIs.
By whom? With what evidence?
Couldn’t ads work on agents too? :)
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Current LLMs are very wise to "ignore previous instructions". You have to present the information as simple facts.
amazingly I did not put in the effort to make a simple joke comment actually immediately implementable.
How can you say it's expensive? Would you sit on the street corner and answer 1000 different questions for $5?
Are we going to see all search engines adopting this model? Will this be the future of search engine revenue? May end up more pro-consumer than ads and tracking.
Humans hate micropayments but maybe it will be hidden somehow.
People only hate the inconvenience of existing micro payments.
The idea of paying for usage is actually very appealing.
This is not true. The psychology of positive and negative events suggests that to optimize your happiness, you should "lump" negative things and "split" positive things.
People do this intuitively with payments (negative). They'll buy a timeshare or a boat (expensive, "lump" cost) when it would be much cheaper on net to stay at resorts or rent a boat and pay by usage.
They'll pay for subscriptions (automatic payments) rather than pay per experience. Many people will pay $20/mo for Netflix, watch it twice a month, but would never rent movies for $3 on Amazon.
They'll pay a big premium for "unlimited" data plans when this actually makes little sense for anyone vs. paying by usage.
IMO micropayments should be so small that people don’t even account for them in expenses. It costs almost nothing for a website to serve a single request, hosting costs almost nothing.
There’s no reason a big host can’t be 100% free, entirely relying on user payments for requests to pay for electricity and new servers (where each request is almost free), a few engineers and security guards to physically install, maintain, and monitor the servers (funded by excess or donations).
It’s the difference between filling up your tank and having to approve every mile to me. A fund I top up and costs go to 0 when I’m not using it is attractive, much more so than a fixed charge and subscription.
Shit . I feel dumb now.
I am human and I'd love to just pay a small fee to read an article instead of using a russian proxy site to avoid needing 45 abos per month.
Yet everybody relying on infrastructure, like electricity, water, gas, etc, is familiar with a meter, paying upfront based on an estimation of consumption, then getting money back.
One could easily imagine that, or that your AI provider, being ChatGPT, Anthropic or Cursor or even neo clouds where you run your own compute on, provide a weekly or monthly aggregated payment not just for computes but for paid traffic. They have the balance sheet (sigh) to front it.
You'd pay $20 for compute and $8.7896813 for traffic or you'd have a "budget" of $10 of traffic included in your $30 bundle.
I think customers would accept that if explain that otherwise their queries wouldn't be as nice and also that the providers of content would get a share.
anyone using an llm is hard stuck in token micropayments regardless, i doubt one more will make a significant difference to them if it is integrated into pricing well enough
I am not a human then.
I think this is going to be the future of the internet in general, not just search engines.
Not with permissionless blockchain payments. These Brave guys have learned nothing from North Korea.
I just updated my Brave browser on mobile, and it now replaces Google Search with Brave Search by default. Initially, I wanted to switch it back to Google Search, but finding the relevant setting was such a hassle that I was too lazy to bother. So, I just kept using Brave Search for my daily tasks. Surprisingly, the search results aren't that bad. At this point, I might have permanently switched from Google Search to Brave Search.
I was wondering recently whether LLMs would finally usher in HTTP micropayments. And there we are! Let's see if it works this time.
i just think its an extremely naive idea to move purchasing decisions to agents.
Why though? If you own a company, you delegate purchasing to human employees, too. And sometimes they buy crap and make poor decisions. It comes with the risk, and you mitigate by budgeting. You will have to asses your employees for competence, same as you do with agents. You don't give a new and unknown employee a big budget, while your trusted ones slowly get more and more control.
a human can screw up in a non scalable manner an agent can do it at scale and worse it would attract bad actors who will certainly exploit that
This is what everybody gets wrong: Agents aren't bad or evil. Nor crazy. They don't steal. They pretty much work (after some setup and periods of supervision) as expected. And yes, sometimes they might be wrong and spend more. Same as the human. From a business standpoint it is just risk/reward structure.
True and calculations are changing inside large corps that run BPOs. You just don't see the news on HN, cause HN hardly surfaces what is happening inside Enterprise Software stacks.
Brave is a series scam company. Naïve marks are what they live by.
How does this work with non USD? Reminbi? Euro? Crypto?
Its USDC not USD
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USDC_(cryptocurrency)
I really doubt this will catch on.
Same, it is built on the USDC stable coin and if crypto has taught me anything it is that it is that people do not trust it (ironically). Companies like Circle do absolutely nothing to protect their users while banks etc have mechanisms by which a user has a path to recourse.
Granted this is for micropayments and each search will most likely cost pennies but it still means loading up some real money into a digital wallet which an agent will blindly (and most likely very inefficiently) spend at its own discretion.
Time will tell, I guess.
Stablecoin providers also have a long history of freezing funds. Imagine you're Kagi and Google sues you for scraping them. It's likely they'll get an injunction to freeze your USDC account and any ones linked to it.
"The easiest path to query via x402 is to install Purl Wallet, a Stripe-developed CLI wallet for your agent. Set up your wallet, top it off using Base-native USDC, and start querying today."
for 99% of people the first thing they need to do is to understand x402, Purl Wallet, Stripe-developed CLI wallet and base-native USDC.
Funny how crypto tries to snake itself back into our ecosystem again and is still as shitty as it was bfore.
This may be the least stupid use of the block chain I've ever heard of.
Mind you Visa could have implemented this when everyone first asked back in 1999, but hey here we are. Rather than micro payments instead we let ads do their best to ruin western civilization.
Genuine question: why do you need the blockchain to do this? I use Kagi's search API with AI. No blockchain. Just great search.
If need to use an API, needs to do: user creation, top-up some money, create a token, store the token somewhere, pass it to the agent... and later renew the token...
With a blockchain, no need for all of that. And you can only pay for few cents, no need to top-up a full 5$ min for each services. If you have dozens of services that you need to reach, the benefits start to be interesting.
That all happens in Lightning Network too, it's just called different things. You need to create a channel (create an account, create a token) locking up a certain amount of money (topping it up), and obviously you need to store the credentials for the channel (store the token), and renew it (renew the token) or close it (refund unused credits) every week - that means opening the app at least once a week or you lose your money - otherwise your partner gets all the locked-up money.
Well, your crypto wallet is also tho materialising from thin air out of nothing... You need to set up things top up wallet, take care of keys etc...
You need micropayments. Banks and creditcards don't do those (and the WebPayments W3C API proposal failed due to that) because there is not much money to make in micropayments. It is not feasible to answer customer service calls for $0.0005 charges, or issue bank statements and follow regulations for transfers in the sub-cent area. That is why they charge minimum fees for each transaction, i.e. $0.30 per transaction.
If I understand the regulations in the US correctly, don't micropayments, implemented like this, just create absurd reporting requirements for the parties involved, instead of the facilitator of the transaction?
Unless I'm confused, it seems like for a US taxpayer, this mechanism would require that their federal income tax return include, either on an 8949 or an attached statement, an itemized list of every single transaction they made for every single search over an entire year.
> It is not feasible to answer customer service calls for $0.0005 charges
Does accepting payment in crypto exempt a merchant from local customer-service requirements?
Yes. I run a website, I don't have customer service. I could put it behind a x402 page with my ToS, meaning you see nothing until you pay me - and once paid, it is irreversible. No need for customer service. You can sue me through legal proceedings but if I win, you pay my legal fees.
So I'm sympathetic to the notion that these rules are overbearing for small merchants. Particularly hobbyists. I'm totally unconvinced Brave is dodging any regulation by offering through crypto, other than by selecting for customers who may not want to interact with a legal system.
> You can sue me through legal proceedings but if I win, you pay my legal fees
That's simply not true in at least two jurisdictions I touch, which would have venue for my consumer purchases. (If you never visit the United States or EU, on the other hand, this probably wouldn't practically affect you.)
Well if the legal proceedings are unjust, you pay all the fees. Else everybody could sue me all the time. I run a website, and I have a ToS you (or your agent) has to accept before payment. No need to provide customer service - and lets face it, you are not going to sue for $0.0005 anyway.
> if the legal proceedings are unjust, you pay all the fees
ToS don’t overrule law.
> lets face it, you are not going to sue for $0.0005 anyway
Very true. Though if I felt cheated by someone, regardless of the cost, I’d absolutely be open to starting a regulatory shitstorm. (Not saying you would cause that among anyone paying you.)
That you chose an irreversible payment method doesn’t exempt you from any regulations about customer service.
The current financial system fails at delivering cross border micro payments.
nobody wants paid impressions to hit agents, and agents certainly aren’t going to convert, so this model makes perfect sense. once humans realize they too can have the premium experience the agents are getting it will be the end of adtech!
This "Search" API https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2026/11/nyt-demands-brav... ? So it is the "pay us to skip the paywall" service :D
Can’t wait for the entirety of the web to get paywalled to the max. And thereby have your identity tied to your information consumption history.
Sigh, still no private payments through Monero support from a privacy focused browser with crypto features.
https://xmr402.org/
I can't vouch for the quality of the project.
Monero has slow confirmation times. It requires a 0-conf to be able to do micropayments. Most wallets also require a full 10 confirmations before you can use your balance.
There isn't Lightning on Monero, how would you do micropayments?
I prefer my agents crypto free
The part I keep coming back to isn't the payment rail, it's what happens before the payment. At $0.005 a search the unit price looks trivial, but the agents I've run don't search once — they re-search the same question with slightly different phrasing when the first results don't quite fit, and each retry is a fresh paid call. Removing the API key also removes the one place I used to see that happening, the monthly bill.
So the missing piece for me isn't 402 itself, it's a budget envelope around it: a per-task cap, client-side dedup/caching of near-identical queries, and a receipt ledger I can audit after the run. Without that, making payment frictionless mostly makes runaway spend frictionless too. Does Brave's proxy do any dedup or idempotency for repeated identical queries, or is that entirely left to the harness?
This comment feels LLM-written.
> The part I keep coming back to isn't the payment rail,
Why are all of these comment bots trained to keep coming back to something?[1][2]
[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50413821
[2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50347052
probably an attempt to make their responses sound more human-like because what reason would a bot have to "keep coming back to" something