Nah man. He sold embargoed chips to China. I don't actually much care that he stuck his little jensen in women who weren't his wife, but a foreign spy and his subordinates? That's some catastrophic bad judgement and he needs a time out.
There's no evidence that he did any of that. All we know is that he had a relationship with a Chinese citizen who was alleged to be a spy in a New York Times report citing anonymous sources. That allegation has yet to be independently corroborated. Meanwhile, the DOJ says it has reached no conclusion about whether she was a spy [0]. And even if she was, that wouldn't establish that Jensen Huang did anything illegal. You can actually bang spies without leaking secrets or circumventing export controls.
Let me play Devil's Advocate, without having dug into his personal life at all:
Is it possible that the person accused of being a Chinese spy, was a businessperson located in China who was coerced by authorities?
IF the above is true -- do others genuinely believe they would stare down the face of a world power and dare to defy them, if they were not the only living member of your family tree within the geographic area?
How is selling chips to a Singaporean entity for “cloud” GPU rental to predominantly Chinese customers a violation?
It doesn’t seem to be sufficient to know that Nvidia chips are in China or owned (in the way of shares, not debt) by Chinese firms.
The US BIS guidance seems to not have any strict liability for the outcome of chips ending up in China, or even if a customer of Nvidia sends chips to China. There are due diligence requirements but those appear to be fulfilled on the representations of Megaspeed setting up cloud services / GPU rentals.
Is the board really saying Jensen (seemingly without the chief officers) had actual knowledge that Megaspeed would ship those chips to China in violation of US restrictions? Why would he abet this, versus making them pitch the correct story that passes basic diligence required by the law with the same net result.
Exactly what I have been saying. People are jumping into conclusions and making things up along with way. All by the narrative of the media without thinking through even the absolute basic.
On another note your comment was flagged. ( cough ) I am not sure why.
"Knowingly sold embargoed chips to China" and "foreign spy" hasn't been confirmed yet. I know we love jumping to conclusions and I roll my eyes at the "source, no?" guys here, but now I'm playing that card.
Alright, well we know that he was banging his direct subordinate, which is also not acceptable from someone in a leadership role. And as he would have known that quite well (it's the norm in American business culture), his choice to do it anyway shows very poor judgement. So he still should go even if the spying stuff turns out to be false.
By that rationale, the majority of execs should step down, including women. It’s a very bad idea but also unremarkable in its pervasive commonality.
If the affair damages the company, that’s another thing. The executives only duty if fiduciary. They are not required or expected to be pillars of the community.
Also, my OF name is now Jensen Hung. Make of that what you will.
While it's true that it hasn't been confirmed, the circumstantial evidence is overwhelming. Even if you choose to dismiss that particular affair, he still had an affair with at least one employee (and subordinate) which I'm sure has gotten plenty of people fired over his decades of tenure.
I've consistently found the "dude was banging a foreign spy" lingo funny.
"The dude was putting his penis in a foreign spy's vagina"
Oh no! Egads! The terror! Not sex! Anything but sex!
Like, was he collaborating? Was he perhaps less scrupulous than otherwise? Maybe, but that happens plenty between good ol' golf-course pals who _probably_ aren't fucking.
This is a clear error of judgement and if he has any clearances this kind of behavior would strip him of his access even if she weren’t a spy, but the spy angle makes it even worse. You are probably a troll
Regardless of the spy allegations, you can't have a sexual relationship with subordinates without consequences. This happened with two women, and then there's the spy story. There's a pattern here, and it isn't the females.
Sure, why not upload your email and name and position at Nvidia to a random OpenAI generated website, where ownership is completely hidden down to the domain registrar.
"Your email is never shown public". Yeah because it’s going straight to the MSS.
The Smartest engineers on the planet.
What’s the worst that could happen?
That nice Chinese lady at the bar started talking to you because you are an amazingly clever and handsome guy. How would she know who you are and who you work for? You never met before. Love at first sight, just like daddy Jensen.
It’s kinda ironic that it has buttons for Rednote (Xiaohongshu) and WeChat as well.
Everyone who signs this who really works at Nvidia needs to get fired immediately as well by the board for being an idiot sandwich.
Related:
Nvidia employees petition to bring back Jensen Huang
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50477231
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Nah man. He sold embargoed chips to China. I don't actually much care that he stuck his little jensen in women who weren't his wife, but a foreign spy and his subordinates? That's some catastrophic bad judgement and he needs a time out.
There's no evidence that he did any of that. All we know is that he had a relationship with a Chinese citizen who was alleged to be a spy in a New York Times report citing anonymous sources. That allegation has yet to be independently corroborated. Meanwhile, the DOJ says it has reached no conclusion about whether she was a spy [0]. And even if she was, that wouldn't establish that Jensen Huang did anything illegal. You can actually bang spies without leaking secrets or circumventing export controls.
[0] https://www.reuters.com/world/china/us-justice-department-ha...
right.
Let me play Devil's Advocate, without having dug into his personal life at all:
Is it possible that the person accused of being a Chinese spy, was a businessperson located in China who was coerced by authorities?
IF the above is true -- do others genuinely believe they would stare down the face of a world power and dare to defy them, if they were not the only living member of your family tree within the geographic area?
what do you call a person who does the bidding of the chinese government? a chinese government agent. that's what the word "agent" means.
How is selling chips to a Singaporean entity for “cloud” GPU rental to predominantly Chinese customers a violation?
It doesn’t seem to be sufficient to know that Nvidia chips are in China or owned (in the way of shares, not debt) by Chinese firms.
The US BIS guidance seems to not have any strict liability for the outcome of chips ending up in China, or even if a customer of Nvidia sends chips to China. There are due diligence requirements but those appear to be fulfilled on the representations of Megaspeed setting up cloud services / GPU rentals.
Is the board really saying Jensen (seemingly without the chief officers) had actual knowledge that Megaspeed would ship those chips to China in violation of US restrictions? Why would he abet this, versus making them pitch the correct story that passes basic diligence required by the law with the same net result.
Exactly what I have been saying. People are jumping into conclusions and making things up along with way. All by the narrative of the media without thinking through even the absolute basic.
On another note your comment was flagged. ( cough ) I am not sure why.
"Knowingly sold embargoed chips to China" and "foreign spy" hasn't been confirmed yet. I know we love jumping to conclusions and I roll my eyes at the "source, no?" guys here, but now I'm playing that card.
Alright, well we know that he was banging his direct subordinate, which is also not acceptable from someone in a leadership role. And as he would have known that quite well (it's the norm in American business culture), his choice to do it anyway shows very poor judgement. So he still should go even if the spying stuff turns out to be false.
By that rationale, the majority of execs should step down, including women. It’s a very bad idea but also unremarkable in its pervasive commonality.
If the affair damages the company, that’s another thing. The executives only duty if fiduciary. They are not required or expected to be pillars of the community.
Also, my OF name is now Jensen Hung. Make of that what you will.
While it's true that it hasn't been confirmed, the circumstantial evidence is overwhelming. Even if you choose to dismiss that particular affair, he still had an affair with at least one employee (and subordinate) which I'm sure has gotten plenty of people fired over his decades of tenure.
Why should he be the exception?
There's like multiple smoke stacks. And you're saying, hold on guys, we haven't confirmed there's multiple fires?
Now do Elon musk.
If James Bond taught us anything its that shagging spies and assassins leads to some seriously hot sex.
standwithjensen is wild work, the dude was banging a foreign spy and selling embargoed goods.
None of which is proven, that I've seen. It's just been stated and said.
I've consistently found the "dude was banging a foreign spy" lingo funny.
"The dude was putting his penis in a foreign spy's vagina"
Oh no! Egads! The terror! Not sex! Anything but sex!
Like, was he collaborating? Was he perhaps less scrupulous than otherwise? Maybe, but that happens plenty between good ol' golf-course pals who _probably_ aren't fucking.
This is a clear error of judgement and if he has any clearances this kind of behavior would strip him of his access even if she weren’t a spy, but the spy angle makes it even worse. You are probably a troll
It's more difficult to blackmail someone with golf.
Has to be parody?
Regardless of the spy allegations, you can't have a sexual relationship with subordinates without consequences. This happened with two women, and then there's the spy story. There's a pattern here, and it isn't the females.
Look at the signatories.
"the stock went up" probably wouldn't get past a counterintelligence audit, although we do seem to be living in the dumbest timeline so…
lol…
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Sure, why not upload your email and name and position at Nvidia to a random OpenAI generated website, where ownership is completely hidden down to the domain registrar.
"Your email is never shown public". Yeah because it’s going straight to the MSS.
The Smartest engineers on the planet. What’s the worst that could happen?
That nice Chinese lady at the bar started talking to you because you are an amazingly clever and handsome guy. How would she know who you are and who you work for? You never met before. Love at first sight, just like daddy Jensen.
It’s kinda ironic that it has buttons for Rednote (Xiaohongshu) and WeChat as well.
Everyone who signs this who really works at Nvidia needs to get fired immediately as well by the board for being an idiot sandwich.